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How to disable propane >> Yeah another fridge topic.

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
In my previous RVs I liked to travel with propane off at tanks as safety measure.
The older fridge models had manual switches that when I opted for 120v from inverter - they would stay or die on this mode.
Motorhomes had bigger charging wires, so running fridge for couple of hr on house batteries, still would recharge them when I continue driving later.
Now I would like to do the same on TC and having built-in inverter on my truck, would be nice to take advantage of it and secure 120V cable from truck directly to the fridge plug.
My dilemma is the computerized system, that when I stop at gas station and turn the truck off - in lack of 120V the computer will start sparking the igniter and with lack of propane it will spark for a while.
That brings safety concern at gas station as well.
So for those who are good with computer controls - how to override the propane option and let the fridge go off or into 12V mode when 120V turns off?
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jaycocreek
Explorer II
Explorer II
I rarely travel with the refer on, instead i put one of two frozen gallon jugs in the refer for those unlevel fishing holes or hunting spots... Once at camp and level, I have ice cold drinking water... Once everything is cooled down before leaving, the ice jugs last at least two days...I rotate them out at home ever other day in our hot temps to keep my beverages cold...

RV refers running going to and from, are a pain having to be level to stop anywhere for any length of time..
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otrfun
Explorer II
Explorer II
Photomike wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Kayteg1 wrote:
. . . Google "RV fires" and you will find lot of incidents where RV was totaled mostly becouse of propane fire . . .
Aren't many of these so-called RV "propane" fires actually the result of overheated RV fridges? IMO, many of these fridge fires would have occurred even if the fridge's boiler had been heated via propane, a/c, or DC. During off-level conditions the boiler temps in a RV fridge can spike dramatically. We have an ARP unit installed on our fridge specifically to prevent such an event. Very enlightening to watch how quickly the boiler temps can spike when you encounter some off-level conditions.
In going to fires for over 20 years I have never seen a fridge fire!!!

Only RV fires that were caused by appliances in the RV that I have been to or I have heard of first hand were when the furnace was "modified". I personally have been to two and my brother to one and all three were the result of someone putting something against the exhaust.

Have had a lot more fires with RV's that were caused by people doing stupid things like using heat lamps to heat instead if the furnace or a blow torch to unthaw a line.
Try Googling "RV refrigerator fires". A number of class action lawsuits and various explanations how/why it does occur.

Photomike
Explorer III
Explorer III
otrfun wrote:
Kayteg1 wrote:
. . . Google "RV fires" and you will find lot of incidents where RV was totaled mostly becouse of propane fire . . .
Aren't many of these so-called RV "propane" fires actually the result of overheated RV fridges? IMO, many of these fridge fires would have occurred even if the fridge's boiler had been heated via propane, a/c, or DC. During off-level conditions the boiler temps in a RV fridge can spike dramatically. We have an ARP unit installed on our fridge specifically to prevent such an event. Very enlightening to watch how quickly the boiler temps can spike when you encounter some off-level conditions.


In going to fires for over 20 years I have never seen a fridge fire!!!

Only RV fires that were caused by appliances in the RV that I have been to or I have heard of first hand were when the furnace was "modified". I personally have been to two and my brother to one and all three were the result of someone putting something against the exhaust.

Have had a lot more fires with RV's that were caused by people doing stupid things like using heat lamps to heat instead if the furnace or a blow torch to unthaw a line.
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otrfun
Explorer II
Explorer II
Kayteg1 wrote:
. . . Google "RV fires" and you will find lot of incidents where RV was totaled mostly becouse of propane fire . . .
Aren't many of these so-called RV "propane" fires actually the result of overheated RV fridges? IMO, many of these fridge fires would have occurred even if the fridge's boiler had been heated via propane, a/c, or DC. During off-level conditions the boiler temps in a RV fridge can spike dramatically. We have an ARP unit installed on our fridge specifically to prevent such an event. Very enlightening to watch how quickly the boiler temps can spike when you encounter some off-level conditions.

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
The way I check the controls - the on/off and and auto/propane are manual buttons.
Once I press on and then auto, when panel comes to life and 120V is automatic default.
To turn 12V heating, there is 3rd manual button, but that will stay off all the time.
That part sounds easy at this point.
Now have to figure out how to run the 120V cable.
Can't be bed-mounted becouse my camper fits with minimal clearance and can shear the cable on bed edge.
So drilling small hole in back of the cabin to run cable with weather-proof female connector, than another hole on the bottom of fridge compartment and male connector under fridge floor plugs into female from the cab.
This way it is easy to plug and in case I forget to unplug (when dropping the camper), they will simply pull off.
It cooled down to 110F, so if colder weather stays, I can start doing camper side.

AnEv942
Nomad
Nomad
Kayteg1 wrote:
"It never happen to me". 🙂

But the 12V supply wires are right on the back of the fridge next to 120V plug, so I think I can put a relay on main 12V wire -leaving the switch on panel ON all the time. That would make for 30 amp relay, but that's OK.

Exactly- The relay needs to rated high enough for when/if the 12v heater is engaged, even though your not planning on using the 12v heater and only powering boards. The switch triggers relay on/off. Alternately you could just use a 30 amp rated switch but using relay the trigger switch and wire can be small & mounted anywhere.
I used a 3way on/off/on. It selects from which 12v source, truck or camper, relay triggered.
Even though both switches on-its the source that controls. If turned to camper 12v-relay is always on, fridge responds as normal. If to truck it goes on/off with ignition. When power restored to board it starts&operates on last selected source, AC or DC. I've not tried gas-it might actually allow gas use and remotely turn on/off, hmmm..

The key is if your controls will remember selection when power removed, that should be the 1st thing to check before going thru effort.
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Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
I hope you had "highly-combustible beverage" to enjoy while watching?
Is it Eric or Lisa BTW?

Eric_Lisa
Explorer II
Explorer II
Kayteg1 wrote:

GAS STATIONS FIRES


Gee, thanks for that. Just wasted 30 minutes of time watching YouTube videos. :B

Only saw one RV in the infinite scroll list, and that looked to be an engine fire. The "Girl at gas station Fails compilation" wasn't as entertaining as I had hoped, but YouTube thankfully provided me a bunch of similar time-wasters for me to diligently get sucked in to watching. LOL!
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Kayteg1
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Explorer II
"It never happen to me". 🙂
Hard to understand the mentality on forum who suppose has mature only members.
Back to technical dispute. I pulled the control panel on my Dometic and the main switch is soldered into computer board. It is dual switch anyway.
So soldering new wires to computer board is a bit risky for me.
But the 12V supply wires are right on the back of the fridge next to 120V plug, so I think I can put a relay on main 12V wire -leaving the switch on panel ON all the time. That would make for 30 amp relay, but that's OK.
That is how my mechanical skill would figure it out, but any guy good with electronics see something wrong with it?

markchengr
Explorer II
Explorer II
The point of shutting off while refueling is not just to protect from your own fumes. You are in a GAS station. Even if you have a diesel vehicle, there could be gasoline fumes being produced all around you. If you don't shut off your propane reefer prior to entering the station, I hope you never refuel near me.

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
When gas stations have several levels of safety and their blow -ups are unheard of, they still have regulations who prohibits entering them with flames.
Than I think I already wrote 3 times that gas stations are only 1 of several issues here.
Google "RV fires" and you will find lot of incidents where RV was totaled mostly becouse of propane fire.
It is just like seat belts issue. You don't hear every day that somebody got killed by not buckling up, yet you still buckle up.

EDIT. You never know until you check.
Gas stations fires are not as rare as we would like to think about.
We can speculate how many of them were due to open propane, but as I said -overheated brakes on motorhomes have lot of record of burning whole RV simply becouse of live propane lines.
1 of listed fires was started by a bus with overheated brakes.. downtown San Francisco.
Go figure.
GAS STATIONS FIRES

Eric_Lisa
Explorer II
Explorer II
work2much wrote:
We turn off propane when we travel. I am not going to disagree with anyone that says it's safe though. Did it for years. Never worried about pumping either.


For me, the fridge is on the opposite side of the camper from the fuel tank. I could certainly understand shutting down the fridge if the it was right next to the fuel tank and was at risk of having gas splashed on the side of the vehicle. For me, it would take a heck-of-a-lot of fuel vapors to reach around the truck and ignite. Especially since the fridge burner is a good 5+ feet off the ground and gasoline vapors sink rather than rise. I would probably be asphyxiated long before then. Not to mention most gas stations are open-air affairs and not a closed-door building.

I just don't see the risk. I think I am more likely to get creamed by a semi-truck when I pull my camper out of a gas station, than I am to be the cause of a magnificent explosion due to my RV fridge.

Oh, and I am still looking for the news article where an RV fridge was responsible for a gas station fire. If anyone has a link to an article, I would like to read it.

-Eric
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Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
So far I run my 120V air compressor on Ford inverter, so that is good.
It is small compressor, but you know they need high amp for start, what makes them good supply testers.
When it comes to "dirty" voltage - fridge uses resistor heating element and they will run no matter how all the power surges.
Additional, I have lot of stuff in my garage, so instead of buying 120V relay, I will use small 12V power supply and 12V relay who I already have.
Used them this way in my house for humidifier, what with addition of WI-FI plug made for home automation. Those small power supplies will run on anything between 70 and 250V.
I don't plan to use my camper for next 2 months, but when temperatures drop a bit from 115F we have daily, I will get on the project preparation.
Main issue will be finding safe way of running 120V cable from cabin to fridge compartment.
Ford installed inverter behind rear seat, but the plug is on dashboard. I already check that it would be hard to tap into inverner harness, so running the cable to front plug will be probably best option.