new goodyear tires designed for RV's

[tomman58]

Went to the Tampa RV show yesterday to check out the 338 TT like the one we have now. Boy what a difference 4 years makes, a lot of new features and other things changed to make them better.
The one change are the tires, now they are Good year RV Tires E series and are made in the USA. So long to Chinese tires. The head of the Jayco representation (not a sales guy) explain how they were part of the design of a tire that is made for us! The side walls are heavy to help in bruising on curbs etc. The tire itself is designed to straight pulling, so the belts and tread are different. The tire is also speed rated for 85MPH not that I would ever drive that fast but does show a far better grip on the reality of the tires.
We travel a lot and put 10,000 miles on our trailer some years, so time to buy a new one. Oh I am adding the leveling system as I am getting frigg'n old.

[ktmrfs]

Toolguy5 wrote:

BurbMan wrote:
ScottG, he meant "us" as in trailer towers, not "us" as in Jayco. He said Jayco was on the industry design team that helped spec the tire with GY.

Yikes, just looked them up and $175 EACH?!?! I paid $500 out the door for the whole set of my current LT's.

Michelin Rib LT's run around $225 each. I put them on my 5er 2 years ago including spare. So $175 each for Endurance is not so bad.

I paid $480 for a set of 4 endurance 225/75-15 LRE including the america's tire replacement program last July. The maxxis were noticeably more expensive.

yes, LT's would be nice but I can't get 15" LT's with a high enough load rating.

[profdant139]

For those of us who say that either ST or LT tires are the "only" solution, bear in mind that Airstream puts ST on some of its high-end units and LT on others. My guess is that they know that either one will do the job, assuming that the selection is matched to the expected load.

[Huntindog]

SoundGuy wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
Regardless, I will never run them. The ST tire makers lied to me about the tires they have produced in the past. I was a one time believer in their hype. That was proven wrong. Many thousands of dollars later, I discovered the truth. These same tire makers do not deserve any more of my money.

No doubt Goodyear is shaking in it's boots. :R

Your loss, not theirs. :W

No loss for me. That stopped 12 years ago.
And... I am not the only one.

It takes far more money to convince a customer you disappointed to try your product again, than it costs to keep them happy in the first place.

[SoundGuy]

gmw photos wrote:
While talking to my GY shop owner we talked about the Endurance. He said they are selling quite a few of them, and so far so good. Then he paused and said, "it's still just a ST though...."

Imagine that, a quality tire designed specifically for trailer use ... what in the world was Goodyear thinking? :W

[BurbMan]

Toolguy5 wrote:

BurbMan wrote:
ScottG, he meant "us" as in trailer towers, not "us" as in Jayco. He said Jayco was on the industry design team that helped spec the tire with GY.

Yikes, just looked them up and $175 EACH?!?! I paid $500 out the door for the whole set of my current LT's.

Michelin Rib LT's run around $225 each. I put them on my 5er 2 years ago including spare. So $175 each for Endurance is not so bad.

I think I have Commander LT's or similar, I'll have to go check later...

[gmw_photos]

For a long time, proponents of "ST" tires have cried for a higher quality ST tire. I have said all along they "could" build a better ST tire.....and what they would end up with is a "LT" tire. So what was the point ? Now we have a "higher priced ST tire". Choose it if you like.

I switched to LT's years ago. I use 16" LT's ( Firestone Transforce right now ) on both my bigger trailers. 14,500 gross weight. 4 horse slant GN, and 24' GN equipment trailer.

To those who think a LT "can't take the side loading of tight turns, I once again make my statement that some of these folks need to push away from being internet keyboard cowboys, and come out to the real world (oh boy, now I'm gonna be labled a hater and a smart-azz ). I spin these heavy trailers around in tight spots as needed.....where I go with the horses in this trailer, I don't have the luxury of choosing where to turn around often.
Same with the equipment trailer. When the bobcat is on there, I need to take where it needs to go, not where I desire to have an easy turn around spot. The LT's have worked without fail.

On my newest small 2 horse trailer, it has 15", so I fit GY Wrangler HT in LT size.
While talking to my GY shop owner we talked about the Endurance. He said they are selling quite a few of them, and so far so good. Then he paused and said, "it's still just a ST though...."
So you can take that comment however you like. He's made a lot of money selling and replacing the Marathons over the years. Time will tell on the Endurance.

I have LT's under this travel trailer I'm sitting in right now as I winter in Arizona. 40K miles and five years.

Best of luck and safe travels to all of you no matter what you choose. I've made my choice based on my real world experience.

[Toolguy5]

BurbMan wrote:
ScottG, he meant "us" as in trailer towers, not "us" as in Jayco. He said Jayco was on the industry design team that helped spec the tire with GY.

Yikes, just looked them up and $175 EACH?!?! I paid $500 out the door for the whole set of my current LT's.

Michelin Rib LT's run around $225 each. I put them on my 5er 2 years ago including spare. So $175 each for Endurance is not so bad.

[tragusa3]

I've got about 10k miles on my Endurance, a few thousand of those through the southwest at over 100 degrees. I can't tell any tracking difference, but I went up one load rating and can tell the difference in stability. No issues,

[SoundGuy]

Huntindog wrote:
Regardless, I will never run them. The ST tire makers lied to me about the tires they have produced in the past. I was a one time believer in their hype. That was proven wrong. Many thousands of dollars later, I discovered the truth. These same tire makers do not deserve any more of my money.

No doubt Goodyear is shaking in it's boots. :R

Your loss, not theirs. :W

[Huntindog]

tomman58 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

He said these were by far an important tire upgrade. period. The light truck tires do not have the rigid side walls that these new ones do and are not made for straight line pulling.
Like I said this was a head guy from Jayco and his info was invaluable. To bad all of us do not have access to people other than sales guys that have other interests.

LOL...the guy needs to stick with his product. His statements tells me he's not very knowledgeable about ST or LT tires.

Give him this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.net/2018/01/why-do-trailer-tires-fail-more-often.htmlfrom a actual tire engineer (Tireman9 ) for him to better educate himself on the subject of ST vs LT tires.
There are dozens of subject matter for days of reading about tires for all types of trucks/motorhomes/trailers/etc.

ROTFLMAO.

What exactly is so difficult about straight line pulling that requires "special" construction?
And LRE LT tire have plenty stiff sidewalls.

It appears that this new endurance tire is a LOT closer to LT type construction, including a higher price point that was previously unavailable in STs.

The 100,000 question is whether enough people will pony up the extra $$$ for what MAY turn out to be a quality ST tire.



The second big question is will the long term testing live up to the hype.

Please realize this isn't some nobody that has an "opinion" but an engineer that has real world information that has credibility behind it. The difference from listening to some lay person is the difference between intelligence and hear say. These tires have been out there for a year and a half and the folks on this thread have told of good things. Wake up.

I am awake. And my eyes are wide open.
The people touting these tires are the same ones that touted the previous ST tires.
That did not work out so well for me, and many many others.
12 years ago, I ended up with LTs (which is what we had before the low cost STs hit the market) and the problems stopped cold. There have been other ST tires that intially had rave reviews. Many here flocked to them as if they were the holy grail. Then problems began occuring
I will NOT consider these tires a success until they have a longer track record.. 5 years would be good.
Regardless, I will never run them. The ST tire makers lied to me about the tires they have produced in the past. I was a one time believer in their hype. That was proven wrong. Many thousands of dollars later, I discovered the truth. These same tire makers do not deserve any more of my money.

[ktmrfs]

Huntindog wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

He said these were by far an important tire upgrade. period. The light truck tires do not have the rigid side walls that these new ones do and are not made for straight line pulling.
Like I said this was a head guy from Jayco and his info was invaluable. To bad all of us do not have access to people other than sales guys that have other interests.

LOL...the guy needs to stick with his product. His statements tells me he's not very knowledgeable about ST or LT tires.

Give him this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.net/2018/01/why-do-trailer-tires-fail-more-often.htmlfrom a actual tire engineer (Tireman9 ) for him to better educate himself on the subject of ST vs LT tires.
There are dozens of subject matter for days of reading about tires for all types of trucks/motorhomes/trailers/etc.

ROTFLMAO.

What exactly is so difficult about straight line pulling that requires "special" construction?
And LRE LT tire have plenty stiff sidewalls.

It appears that this new endurance tire is a LOT closer to LT type construction, including a higher price point that was previously unavailable in STs.

The 100,000 question is whether enough people will pony up the extra $$$ for what MAY turn out to be a quality ST tire.

The second big question is will the long term testing live up to the hype.

higher price point?????????? Uh....... the goodyear endurance I got were substantially less expensive than the same size and LR Maxxis even BEFORE the goodyear rebates.

But they do seem to be a much better made tire and actually took less weight to balance than the Maxxis they replaced.

[tomman58]

Huntindog wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

He said these were by far an important tire upgrade. period. The light truck tires do not have the rigid side walls that these new ones do and are not made for straight line pulling.
Like I said this was a head guy from Jayco and his info was invaluable. To bad all of us do not have access to people other than sales guys that have other interests.

LOL...the guy needs to stick with his product. His statements tells me he's not very knowledgeable about ST or LT tires.

Give him this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.net/2018/01/why-do-trailer-tires-fail-more-often.htmlfrom a actual tire engineer (Tireman9 ) for him to better educate himself on the subject of ST vs LT tires.
There are dozens of subject matter for days of reading about tires for all types of trucks/motorhomes/trailers/etc.

ROTFLMAO.

What exactly is so difficult about straight line pulling that requires "special" construction?
And LRE LT tire have plenty stiff sidewalls.

It appears that this new endurance tire is a LOT closer to LT type construction, including a higher price point that was previously unavailable in STs.

The 100,000 question is whether enough people will pony up the extra $$$ for what MAY turn out to be a quality ST tire.



The second big question is will the long term testing live up to the hype.

Please realize this isn't some nobody that has an "opinion" but an engineer that has real world information that has credibility behind it. The difference from listening to some lay person is the difference between intelligence and hear say. These tires have been out there for a year and a half and the folks on this thread have told of good things. Wake up.

[Huntindog]

JIMNLIN wrote:

He said these were by far an important tire upgrade. period. The light truck tires do not have the rigid side walls that these new ones do and are not made for straight line pulling.
Like I said this was a head guy from Jayco and his info was invaluable. To bad all of us do not have access to people other than sales guys that have other interests.

LOL...the guy needs to stick with his product. His statements tells me he's not very knowledgeable about ST or LT tires.

Give him this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.net/2018/01/why-do-trailer-tires-fail-more-often.htmlfrom a actual tire engineer (Tireman9 ) for him to better educate himself on the subject of ST vs LT tires.
There are dozens of subject matter for days of reading about tires for all types of trucks/motorhomes/trailers/etc.

ROTFLMAO.

What exactly is so difficult about straight line pulling that requires "special" construction?
And LRE LT tire have plenty stiff sidewalls.

It appears that this new endurance tire is a LOT closer to LT type construction, including a higher price point that was previously unavailable in STs.

The 100,000 question is whether enough people will pony up the extra $$$ for what MAY turn out to be a quality ST tire.

The second big question is will the long term testing live up to the hype.

[JIMNLIN]

He said these were by far an important tire upgrade. period. The light truck tires do not have the rigid side walls that these new ones do and are not made for straight line pulling.
Like I said this was a head guy from Jayco and his info was invaluable. To bad all of us do not have access to people other than sales guys that have other interests.

LOL...the guy needs to stick with his product. His statements tells me he's not very knowledgeable about ST or LT tires.

Give him this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.net/2018/01/why-do-trailer-tires-fail-more-often.htmlfrom a actual tire engineer (Tireman9 ) for him to better educate himself on the subject of ST vs LT tires.
There are dozens of subject matter for days of reading about tires for all types of trucks/motorhomes/trailers/etc.

[DinTulsa]

I swapped my LRD Westlakes to LRE Gy endurance last year in August. Unfortunately I only have around 1600 miles on them, but its been a tremendous improvement.