Aug-15-2015 08:40 AM
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Aug-24-2015 07:08 AM
RobertRyan wrote:Thanks for the confirmation Robert - I don't see the CEO's of US manufacturers loosing any sleep over this. Actually, from the standpoint of auto manufacturers, they are in an enviable position. They really need to be defended? NIMO.2012Coleman wrote:hohenwald48 wrote:I stand corrected - the OP said unrealistic.
2012coleman,
I don't think anybody ever said "unreasonable". I think the phrase was "unrealistic". There is a big difference in the two. If you expect everything to work on a new RV then you have "unrealistic" expectations or you are new to the RV world.
But, I still stand by my statement - just plug in the correct word - same difference.
Your view is exactly why the RV industry continues to produce products that are sub-par. They know that people out there will pay for them regardless. Kind of like US auto manufacturers in the 70's to late 90's.
In my case, I wanted to join the lifestyle. and unfortunately, I had to purchase the lesser of evils presented in my months of shopping and research.
I only wish there was foreign competition for the likes of the TT's posted by the guy(don't remember his handle) from Australia.
Saw your post after a search, but the poor quality products is very true. Not many imported US RV's last here
Aug-22-2015 11:25 AM
2012Coleman wrote:hohenwald48 wrote:I stand corrected - the OP said unrealistic.
2012coleman,
I don't think anybody ever said "unreasonable". I think the phrase was "unrealistic". There is a big difference in the two. If you expect everything to work on a new RV then you have "unrealistic" expectations or you are new to the RV world.
But, I still stand by my statement - just plug in the correct word - same difference.
Your view is exactly why the RV industry continues to produce products that are sub-par. They know that people out there will pay for them regardless. Kind of like US auto manufacturers in the 70's to late 90's.
In my case, I wanted to join the lifestyle. and unfortunately, I had to purchase the lesser of evils presented in my months of shopping and research.
I only wish there was foreign competition for the likes of the TT's posted by the guy(don't remember his handle) from Australia.
Aug-22-2015 04:57 AM
2012Coleman wrote:4X4Dodger wrote:Yes - so was I. CW didn't build it, they are just in the usual situation of not being able to fix the thing.2012Coleman wrote:It would be very interesting to have dinner with a few CEO's of RV manufacturers and listen to their problems....I am sure that would open quite a few eyes here.
Here is a guy that would love to have dinner with these millionaires. I'm sure their hearts bleed for him.
CW has our RV for 13 months and counting
CW is a Dealer not a manufacturer. I was referring to the CEO's of the Manufacturers not the seller. Where the truth lies between 3 or more parties in a dispute is nearly impossible to tell from the standpoint of a contributor to this forum.
Lots of stupid stuff happened to my brand new TT past the warranty. Pi$$ poor materials and manufacturing processes. I had an extensive list - not nitpicking either. I'm over it, but maybe I'm just being unrealistic in my expectations for 30K worth of something in my driveway... :H Oh and guess what is happening now? The aluminum siding is corroding due to something behind it - most likely the glue. There's holes forming - I have pictures. Guess what? Thor doesn't care! This according to my FIL - who is an accomplished pilot and airplane mechanic - he does his own tear downs as well.
So many people with brand new units sitting in service for months. Put me on the guest list - I'll do the surf and turf...
Aug-21-2015 11:04 AM
4X4Dodger wrote:Yes - so was I. CW didn't build it, they are just in the usual situation of not being able to fix the thing.2012Coleman wrote:It would be very interesting to have dinner with a few CEO's of RV manufacturers and listen to their problems....I am sure that would open quite a few eyes here.
Here is a guy that would love to have dinner with these millionaires. I'm sure their hearts bleed for him.
CW has our RV for 13 months and counting
CW is a Dealer not a manufacturer. I was referring to the CEO's of the Manufacturers not the seller. Where the truth lies between 3 or more parties in a dispute is nearly impossible to tell from the standpoint of a contributor to this forum.
Aug-20-2015 06:00 AM
Aug-20-2015 05:59 AM
toedtoes wrote:
I think the problem is with the inconsistency of the quality - not the lack of quality.
With other purchases, you have a pretty good expectation as to where the weaknesses will be in the quality of the item. With RVs, there is nothing to base your decisions against - the issues aren't consistent throughout a brand or a model. They are all over the place.
Aug-20-2015 05:28 AM
2012Coleman wrote:It would be very interesting to have dinner with a few CEO's of RV manufacturers and listen to their problems....I am sure that would open quite a few eyes here.
Here is a guy that would love to have dinner with these millionaires. I'm sure their hearts bleed for him.
CW has our RV for 13 months and counting
Aug-19-2015 09:41 AM
Aug-19-2015 08:11 AM
Aug-19-2015 07:17 AM
wing_zealot wrote:Lynnmor wrote:I disagree, I think it is available. The problem isn't a stripped screws, it's not putting in a new screw next to the stripped screw. It's putting 1 screw in when 3 or 4 is needed. It's using 1/8 inch plywood when 3/8 inch is needed. It's using a C channel frame when a I beam is needed. You need to find the manufacturer that is rectifying the stripped screw, putting in 4 screws, using 3/8 inch plywood, and an I beam frame. They exist. (All adjectives are meant for illustrative purposes only, not actual - Just my experience, your experience may vary).wing_zealot wrote:
You want higher quality, buy higher quality. It's certainly available. Most people aren't willing to pay for higher quality, then ***** when they don't get it. You get what you pay for.
Trouble is..... it's not available. You don't get what you pay for, for example stripped screws actually cost more than correctly installed screws. Too many people accept this poor workmanship and even defend their purchase while not recognizing the problems they just bought. If a manufacturer cannot build a product correctly, then they shouldn't exist.
I spent over a year looking for the last RV I bought. I saw a lot of variations in quality. I believe I got my money's worth. Time will tell. But I do know there are some out there that I would not buy even though they were many thousands less than what I paid for mine.
Aug-19-2015 05:41 AM
It would be very interesting to have dinner with a few CEO's of RV manufacturers and listen to their problems....I am sure that would open quite a few eyes here.
Aug-18-2015 10:41 AM
Aug-18-2015 07:49 AM
Lynnmor wrote:I disagree, I think it is available. The problem isn't a stripped screws, it's not putting in a new screw next to the stripped screw. It's putting 1 screw in when 3 or 4 is needed. It's using 1/8 inch plywood when 3/8 inch is needed. It's using a C channel frame when a I beam is needed. You need to find the manufacturer that is rectifying the stripped screw, putting in 4 screws, using 3/8 inch plywood, and an I beam frame. They exist. (All adjectives are meant for illustrative purposes only, not actual - Just my experience, your experience may vary).wing_zealot wrote:
You want higher quality, buy higher quality. It's certainly available. Most people aren't willing to pay for higher quality, then ***** when they don't get it. You get what you pay for.
Trouble is..... it's not available. You don't get what you pay for, for example stripped screws actually cost more than correctly installed screws. Too many people accept this poor workmanship and even defend their purchase while not recognizing the problems they just bought. If a manufacturer cannot build a product correctly, then they shouldn't exist.