And Texas Caves In

[DallasSteve]

The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.

[JimK-NY]

rexlion wrote:
CBS just showed a guy who died, not from the virus, but because of his heart, after his elective heart surgery was canceled. If we hadn't reacted so strongly to the virus, he might be alive now instead.

People forget about 'the law of unintended consequences.'

Unintended consequences of what? In the NY State the hospitals are filling up. Patients with Covid are not receiving any care unless there symptoms are severe. In fact patients cannot even get tested without severe symptoms. They are being told to return home and self isolate. Patients with other conditions are indeed also only getting care when the needs are immediate.

So what is the solution? Just send all Covid patients home and let them take their chances. Without vents and intensive care, we know the results. The death rate will be in the range of 5%. With no controls and no care that would mean 5 million agonizing deaths in the US.

[rexlion]

CBS just showed a guy who died, not from the virus, but because of his heart, after his elective heart surgery was canceled. If we hadn't reacted so strongly to the virus, he might be alive now instead.

People forget about 'the law of unintended consequences.'

[Tvov]

As a friend said over a month ago, what we have is an "internet pandemic".

So much information is available instantly, with no background, context, verification, or anything. Most "verification" seems to consist of "well, I saw it on the internet".

The big news groups/companies/channels are no better, they put up "news" instantly to beat the next guy... and sooooo many "news" reports are mostly just copies of twitter or facebook posts!!

It seems to me that a lot of politicians are very much caught up in this, and especially with the attitude of "Well, so-and-so did THAT, so I HAVE to do SOMETHING....".

When this is all over, the analysis of what was done and what happened will go on for years. People on both sides will say they were right, and find information and "facts" to back up what they say. Just like always.

I do think we are getting to the point of starting to buy stock now... I think in maybe a month (weeks maybe?) most restrictions will be lifted, and the stock market will come roaring back.

Businesses will reopen, people will get re-hired. It will be rocky for a bit, but by next year (unless something else happens) we will be on our way again.

[ppine]

Texas wised up. Be thankful.

[JRscooby]

Walaby wrote:
Can't speak for anyone else but Georgia, but the park workers are min manned. The visitors centers and other areas that people typically congregate in are closed. Online check-in for camping reservations. So, they can and are restricted on who they interact with.

Mike

If you recall, the last Gov shut-down, we sent all the staff home, but let the public use the parks. I don't think all the damage to parks has been repaired yet.

Etstorm wrote:
Okay for those “ everyone should stay home”

What are you planning on doing when the entire economy collapses because everyone was home and not out supporting businesses?

If we could spread all the trillions out to everybody so the got 1/52 of last year's reported income for every week they had to stay home this would be no issue. Most people can not buy what they want, even if they have money. Any businesses most valuable asset is customers with money in their pocket.

pitch wrote:

schlep1967 wrote:
To everybody...... calling names is not helping anything. We can present opinions and facts with degrading others for their choices. Regardless of how good or bad we may think they are.

Well at some point the people of average and above intelligence, get tired of the intentionally ignorant and the actual stupid, ignoring the experts and recommendations.
Sometimes name calling and disrespect are needed to get through the idiots fog of a brain!

Sorry.If somebody must resort to name-calling because they can't explain their opinion, or accept other may have another opinion, I must question their claim of "average and above intelligence"

[ExxWhy]

The arms of the CCP extend very far. Explains many things I guess.

BTW, which hospital in NYC has actually run out of ICU beds, or regular beds for that matter?

Why should we compare this to the flu, the numbers are hardly comparable it seems. I'll quote this right off the CDC link below. "CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season." They are talking about the USA, not the world. 2017-18...... 80,000 deaths. Oh, but we have a vaccine!!! A vaccine that is 30% effective and gives you a 5% chance of getting sick from the shot. (I know, the EXPERTS say that doesn't happen...... right!)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Also note, in 2018-19 477 CHILDREN died from the seasonal flu.

Wonder if the CDC keeps stats on how many people an economic depression kills?

Again, for those with poor reading skills, I do NOT advocate doing nothing, just modifying some of the things we are doing.

[kellem]

JaxDad wrote:

DallasSteve wrote:
The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.

Except even with some pretty drastic containment measures New York is at nearly 4% fatality rate.

Lots of people are missing the point of the term “flatten the curve”. Unlike ‘traditional’ strains of flu this one spreads fast.

To put it in perspective, New York is saying it needs as many as 37,000 critical care beds in order to deal with this.

It has 3,000 critical care beds right now.

Who gets to decide which 8% of the patients get a hospital bed?


A little harsh, but a Dr. friend of mine calls it the “Darwin Disease”, the smart folks will stay isolated and healthy, the stupid ones will not.

The ole saying " you can't fix stupid ".
It's more about carelessness and the lack of empathy I believe.
We all do what's being asked, this thing blows over in a much more reasonable time line.

[tomman58]

After spending several winters in an RV park, I found many folks thought the same and their ideas and common beliefs very the same also. BUT that group was 55++. Listening to several on this site seems quite different.

The world we are in right now is being driven by doctors and scientists with a daily dash of stupidity and politics. We need to stay the course and get this virus under control before thinks of just ourselves again.
Come on brother we need to help one another...........................

[pitch]

You guys are freakin amazing. Two months ago you were all economists or constitutional scholars. 45 short days later you all are infectious disease experts. How do ya do it?

[pitch]

schlep1967 wrote:
To everybody...... calling names is not helping anything. We can present opinions and facts with degrading others for their choices. Regardless of how good or bad we may think they are.

Well at some point the people of average and above intelligence, get tired of the intentionally ignorant and the actual stupid, ignoring the experts and recommendations.
Sometimes name calling and disrespect are needed to get through the idiots fog of a brain!

[JaxDad]

DallasSteve wrote:
The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.

Except even with some pretty drastic containment measures New York is at nearly 4% fatality rate.

Lots of people are missing the point of the term “flatten the curve”. Unlike ‘traditional’ strains of flu this one spreads fast.

To put it in perspective, New York is saying it needs as many as 37,000 critical care beds in order to deal with this.

It has 3,000 critical care beds right now.

Who gets to decide which 8% of the patients get a hospital bed?


A little harsh, but a Dr. friend of mine calls it the “Darwin Disease”, the smart folks will stay isolated and healthy, the stupid ones will not.

[way2roll]

DallasSteve wrote:

winnietrey wrote:

Or as Captain Kirk said "Do the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?"

Not that any of your arguments held much credibility to start with but did you just quote Star trek about a real life global pandemic? Your posts all make sense now.

[dodge_guy]

free radical wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Can’t wait till this is over so we can see the end result and watch the finger pointing start! I predict the numbers will be a lot lower than what are being reported now. This whole virus has gotten out of hand with how we have been reacting to it. It can be compared to the toilet paper hoarding. One person does it, and it snowballs from there and then it looks real bad when in reality it was never bad to begin with. Just like all the other viruses that have popped up every 4 years for as long as I can remember. And there were some numbers that make this virus look like a common cold!

Cvirus is quite a bit more deadly then comon cold

https://youtu.be/OOJqHPfG7pA

That video just explains how it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

[6door74]

bid_time wrote:

6door74 wrote:
...Hopefully those suffering financially can find a way to recover and get back on their feet or just get things back in normal order (myself included). Bankruptcy hasn't stopped others from getting to the top. 😉

That is the most crass statement I have read in the last 10 pages. 10 Million people lost there job in the last 2 Weeks. Let that sink in for a minute.

Hope you feel that way about the people who could care less about everyone else's health and complain about the effort to curb this.

My reply wasn't meant to be crass so I apologize if it came off that way. Like I said, I've been affected in this way as well. Thankfully not as much as others. There was some sarcasm for a specific situation at the end, and maybe it was in poor taste. For that I apologize as well. Bankruptcy isn't fun, can be devastating, and should be a last resort. However, it's not the end of the world, death is.

[Lantley]

bid_time wrote:

6door74 wrote:
...Hopefully those suffering financially can find a way to recover and get back on their feet or just get things back in normal order (myself included). Bankruptcy hasn't stopped others from getting to the top. 😉

That is the most crass statement I have read in the last 10 pages. 10 Million people lost there job in the last 2 Weeks. Let that sink in for a minute.

This whole shut down is about saving lives not livelihoods.
I don't want to dismiss the economic impact, but bankruptcy does not compare to death.
You can recover from economic tragedy there is no recovery from death.