What's up with CGs?

[BurbMan]

Made a reservation today and immediately got this email from the CG management, with a "Read Receipt Requested":
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No abusive, belligerent or loud activity will be allowed.
ANY AND ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS AND/OR SUBSTANCES ARE PROHIBITED. Abuse of this policy
will result in immediate eviction from the campground without refund and
involvement of the local authorities. Anyone causing a disturbance or creating
an unsafe environment will be asked to leave the campground, without a refund.

QUIET TIME IS FROM 10pm to 8am

1.) PARKING:
- ***NO PARKING IN GRASS, PLEASE STAY ON GRAVEL*** Always Enforced
- LIMITED PARKING SPACES - RIDE SHARING ENCOURAGED
- $10 per additional vehicle per night
- All vehicle owners without a vehicle pass posted on the rearview mirror will
be asked to leave without a refund
- If any vehicle does not fit on the GRAVEL PART at your site, use the LIMITED
overflow parking (See Map for Location of Overflow Parking)

2.) VISITORS:
- UPON THEIR ARRIVAL - ALL Visitors must fill out a guest registration and pick
up a vehicle pass from the office and must leave the campground by 10PM.
- $5/person per day (plus $10/extra per/vehicle per/night if staying the night)

- No more than 4 extra visitors and/or 2 extra vehicles assigned to your site
per day
- Visitors will be assigned to your site. Campsite hosts are responsible for
their visitors and the visitors' actions
- All vehicles must have vehicle pass visible on mirror. Without visible pass,
vehicle & owner of vehicle will be asked to leave, no refund given.

3.) FIREWOOD POLICY: IMPORTANT ! ! Always Enforced ! !
- DO NOT BRING ANY WOOD INTO THE PARK. IT IS PROHIBITED
(including pallets, saw mill pieces, etc) due to the ash bore, long horned
beetle or other
insects & infestation creating spreadable tree disease and damage.

!! NOTE: If you do bring in firewood, you will be asked to leave the park,
no refund given !!

- WE HAVE FIREWOOD BUNDLES AVAILABLE AT THE CAMPSTORE FRONT PORCH
(SELF SERVE) $6.00 per bundle.
- TEXT (xxx) xxx-xxxx, include your name, site # and how many bundles you will
be picking up. We add the bundles to your reservation, charge your card on the
day of departure for any remaining balance and send an itemized email receipt.
- Please do not move fire rings.
- Do not burn anything other than firewood or charcoal in fire pits.

4.) PETS:
- 2 WELL-BEHAVED PET MAXIMUM
- If pets are unruly or loud, we may ask you to remove them from the campground
- Must be leashed at all times
- Never left outside unattended
- Must pick up after pets and dispose of waste in proper trash receptacles.
- If children are walking pets, be sure the children know they must pick up
after pets too.
- Pets are not allowed in public buildings, gated pool area, or in the fishing
lake
- CHOWS, DOBERMANS, PIT BULLS, ROTTWEILERS (OR ANY MIX INCLUDING THOSE BREEDS)
are restricted.
Sorry in advance - No exceptions.

5.) BOATS/TRAILERS:
- Please find an alternative for bringing in boats or additional trailers of
any kind.
Our sites do not have space for more than 1 camping unit and 1 vehicle.

6.) CHILDREN under 18 must be supervised by parents/grandparents at all times,
in all public buildings, around the lake and at the pool.

7.) TRASH DISPOSAL:
- All trash must be taken to the dumpsters. Trash bags left on the site at
checkout may incur extra charges.
- You may also incur charges if our staff has to clean trash or cigarette butts
from your site or firepit.
- The dumpsters are noted on your site map in your check-in packet upon your
arrival.
- If a dumpster appears to be too full, please select a different dumpster so
the lids will close completely.
We greatly appreciate your help in maintaining a clean environment for all
campers.

8.) Any TENT will need its own reserved site. No site sharing.

9.) Outdoor Rugs:
- Outdoor rugs can be placed on gravel only. Be aware, this may take up part
of your seating area or parking area, thus having to park in overflow. Please
do not put outdoor rugs down in the grass.

10.) FIREARMS & SAFETY: FIREARMS, BB/PELLET/PAINTBALL GUNS, BOW & ARROWS,
FIREWORKS, AND/OR EXPLOSIVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE USED OR PRACTICED WITH
ANYWHERE ON THE PREMISES. HUNTING OF ANY KIND IS PROHIBITED.

11.) Please leave kiddie pools, GAS golf carts / motorized / battery-operated
/ remote-controlled / drivable toys & devices, scooters & hoover boards at home
due to potential safety hazards.

NO CANCELLATION REFUND DUE TO WEATHER.
- The first night of any Cancelled reservation is a nonrefundable deposit.
- ANY HOLIDAY or SPECIAL CAMPGROUND EVENT WEEKEND: ENTIRE AMOUNT IS
NONREFUNDABLE.
- However, if you contact us at least seven days prior to your reservation, we
can move the reservation 1x within the same season.

Information is subject to change without notice.

This email confirms your reservation. Please contact us if any corrections are
necessary.
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Let me say that I have no issue at all complying with any of these rules, they just seem like common sense. These are common CG rules AFAIK.

I'm not sure if this is what CG owners are dealing with these days or if I'm going to hear banjos playing near my site after dark. At least 6 instances of "we will evict you with no refunds given" and not a single "thank you for your business"....

Am I headed to the redneck oasis or is this just the state of RVing in 2022?

[dedmiston]

Camper445 wrote:
The firewood rules are special. Invasive insects do not infest processed wood such as scraps from pallets, but you can conveniently buy our overpriced green bundles that will not light without 5 gallons of gas.

People who burn pallets are the worst.

Most of the time the pallets are stolen. And 100% of the time the remains leave nails in the fire pit. Once the pit is moved, you're stuck with a minefield of nails. It's disgusting and ignorant.

Bugs or no bugs, never burn pallets.

[valhalla360]

willald wrote:
They are experiencing more and more folks that don't understand common camping etiquette, or just don't care or think the rules apply to them.

Way too many folks are out there with RVs now due to COVID, fresh out of their 5 star hotels they are used to.

Hopefully once COVID is gone, most of those people will dump their RVs (making a great used market for the rest of us), and go back to their 5 star hotels. Then maybe campgrounds won't have to be like this.

I doubt newbies accustomed to 5 star hotels are the primary rule breakers. They might make an innocent mistake but are unlikely to be obnoxious.

More likely with heavy demand, parks can screen out undesirables.
- If a park is running at 25% occupancy and struggling financially, owners may be hesitant to kick people out unless the bad behavior is extreme. Problem is letting marginal behavior stand can create a downward spiral as it scares away good customers and tend to be replaced by bad customers and to draw them, you have to lower rates which draws more bad customers.
- If the park has 120% demand, if someone breaks the rules, it's easy to replace them, so there is little incentive for the owner to put up with bad behavior. As long as the owner doesn't get overzealous about it, it develops a good reputation for the park which draws more good customers and in turn the owner can raise rates.

[pbeverly]

JRscooby wrote:

jdc1 wrote:
It's obvious it is pointed towards the revelers like spring break Datona, groups that will pile pallets 10' high and start a bonfire, bring their 1,000 amp speakers and a DJ, or G-string clad "ladies".

As CG host I ran hard into this attitude. 1 end of loop had several sites reserved for weekend in same last name. Some pulling in on Thursday afternoon, while I was off duty. About 7, music started, loud enough I could not her my news show in camper. My shift started at quiet time, so I went over there. As soon as I said anything, somebody turned it down to a reasonable level. I said that would of been good for last 3 hours, but now needs to be off, pointed out rules on their receipt. 1 of the 40-something men said "We are not a bunch of college kids cutting loose, WE ARE A FAMILY!"

Typical mindset of such people. We are exceptional and entitled and the rules do not apply to me.

Easter weekend we did with a party going on until 2AM in the morning day before a wedding. Party was next to camp host, who was not there. Day of wedding party camp host was there and stopped it at midnight. The site that had the parties was occupied by 55+ couple.

We were at the Great Smoky Mountains NP a few weeks ago. We did what is considered the most popular trail. At the trailhead it clearly stated NO PETS. Of course there were exceptional and entitled people that this rule did not apply to. Service dogs are not an exception here and none of them were service dogs anyway. Dogs are only allowed on 2 trails within the entire park. When researching I learned this is pretty much standard practice at all National Parks. On their website they explain why and it pretty much all very valid reasons.

Exceptional and Entitled people can do what they want and to Hell with the rest of us.

[Camper445]

naturist wrote:

Camper445 wrote:
Welcome to the Nanny State, where multitudes of rules need shoved in your face and they have to keep you safe.

The firewood rules are special. Invasive insects do not infest processed wood such as scraps from pallets, but you can conveniently buy our overpriced green bundles that will not light without 5 gallons of gas. No **** toys with remote controls or ones that require batteries lol. Sounds like a fun place.

Um, excuse me, but there are a several pallet manufacturers in my vicinity, and NONE of them use the kiln dried wood that is safe from pests. ALL of them use strictly rough-sawn, "green" lumber.

I assume these pallets you mention are bootleg, ONLY used locally, and not used to ship materials across STATE lines or leave the US? You might want to read up on what is required by the USDA and stae agencies when it comes to pallets in the US, and ISPM 15 if used internationally. You may also want to read up on what happens to invasive and indigenous pests when tress are cut and debarked.

[naturist]

Camper445 wrote:
Welcome to the Nanny State, where multitudes of rules need shoved in your face and they have to keep you safe.

The firewood rules are special. Invasive insects do not infest processed wood such as scraps from pallets, but you can conveniently buy our overpriced green bundles that will not light without 5 gallons of gas. No **** toys with remote controls or ones that require batteries lol. Sounds like a fun place.

Um, excuse me, but there are a several pallet manufacturers in my vicinity, and NONE of them use the kiln dried wood that is safe from pests. ALL of them use strictly rough-sawn, "green" lumber.

[HappyKayakers]

toedtoes wrote:
It is not generational. It is not newbies. It is everyone.

It may be that there are more issues today, but that is simply because there are more people camping. I have seen many examples of older campers (both in age and experience) with a "I'll do what I want and be d@mmed about others" attitude.

Most of the list is about partying. That does tend to be a younger person violation. But some issues are ageless - firewood, golf carts, illmannered kids and dog, etc.

The more we keep trying to blame all the issues on one or two categories, the more the rest of the problem campers get away with being idiots.

Amen brother.

[JRscooby]

jdc1 wrote:
It's obvious it is pointed towards the revelers like spring break Datona, groups that will pile pallets 10' high and start a bonfire, bring their 1,000 amp speakers and a DJ, or G-string clad "ladies".

As CG host I ran hard into this attitude. 1 end of loop had several sites reserved for weekend in same last name. Some pulling in on Thursday afternoon, while I was off duty. About 7, music started, loud enough I could not her my news show in camper. My shift started at quiet time, so I went over there. As soon as I said anything, somebody turned it down to a reasonable level. I said that would of been good for last 3 hours, but now needs to be off, pointed out rules on their receipt. 1 of the 40-something men said "We are not a bunch of college kids cutting loose, WE ARE A FAMILY!"

[ford_truck_guy]

quote - " pile pallets 10' high and start a bonfire - and - G-string clad "ladies

Why have I NOT seen this yet?? :B

[toedtoes]

It is not generational. It is not newbies. It is everyone.

It may be that there are more issues today, but that is simply because there are more people camping. I have seen many examples of older campers (both in age and experience) with a "I'll do what I want and be d@mmed about others" attitude.

Most of the list is about partying. That does tend to be a younger person violation. But some issues are ageless - firewood, golf carts, illmannered kids and dog, etc.

The more we keep trying to blame all the issues on one or two categories, the more the rest of the problem campers get away with being idiots.

[Acampingwewillg]

I can easily agree to comply with the many rules and regulations posted by this campground but the way in which it is presented could be worked on a bit. I'm all for knowing up front what is expected of me noting most are just common sense items yet the arbitrator of these rules would need to enforce them uniformly....I hope!

While it doesn't happen often, I'm sure a few of us RV'ers have come across the campground employee who let's a little authority to go their heads.....then it becomes a mostly forgettable excursion!

[Dutch_12078]

I've noticed more and more parks are requiring a signature at check in acknowledging that you've received or read and understand the rules.

[rk911]

ken56 wrote:
...somehow it seems that after these COVID lockdowns people have forgotten how to act in public...

that was happening waaay before covid but it sure seems to be on the increase. personally, i trace the genesis of this to my generation...the boomers. the "let it all hang out", "if it feels good, do it" generation. they, in turn passed it to their kids. just more evidence that our society is crumbling before our eyes.

[pasusan]

BurbMan wrote:

mdcamping wrote:
I agree with everything mentioned, let me add one small Item. Check the REVIEWS on the campground, best way to find what is actually going on.

Mike

Speaking of which, is Woodall's no longer around? What is the go-to site now for finding campgrounds and reviews?

This site: Used to be RV Park Reviews

[jdc1]

It's obvious it is pointed towards the revelers like spring break Datona, groups that will pile pallets 10' high and start a bonfire, bring their 1,000 amp speakers and a DJ, or G-string clad "ladies".

[willald]

ford truck guy wrote:
I agree with most above posters, they are just " covering their ARSE "


BUT.....

There are a ton of newbie campers since COVID hit and they couldn't wine and dine in their fancy hotel.. They HAVE NO CLUE that there is camping etiquette...

I think this sums up what the main reason is that campgrounds are getting more 'aggressive' in communicating their rules. They are experiencing more and more folks that don't understand common camping etiquette, or just don't care or think the rules apply to them.

Way too many folks are out there with RVs now due to COVID, fresh out of their 5 star hotels they are used to.

Hopefully once COVID is gone, most of those people will dump their RVs (making a great used market for the rest of us), and go back to their 5 star hotels. Then maybe campgrounds won't have to be like this.