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15/30/50 SHORE POWER PLUG IN ?

Oasisbob
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My camper, listed below, uses what I believe is, a 30 amp shore power plug. I have a 15 amp adaptor. That is the standard looking plug in right? Am I correct in thinking a 50 amp connector is 220 volts? So is there an adaptor that allows me to plug into a 50 amp box using only one side? I ask as I am using a friends property and he has only 50 amp plug. It's kind of confusing atleast to me. Thanks
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myredracer
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The difference between a 30 amp and 50 amp RV is a constant source of confusion on forums. A 30 amp RV is 120 volts only. A 50 amp RV is 120/240 volts EXACTLY a residential 100 or 200 amp panel. A 120/240 amp service does not have phases, it has 120 volts 1/2 way between the two 240 volt hot legs.

One thing about adapters and extension cords is that they aren't required to be UL listed. There's a lot of them on store shelves that aren't, including places like CW. I'd never buy one that isn't UL or CSA listed as you have no idea what it's like inside.

Sandia Man wrote:
Head on over to your local wallyworld, they have a variety of adapters to handle any scenario. No circuit breaker required on adapters as your RV has a main breaker that will instantly open upon reaching its rated value. We use our 50 amp adapter often for our 30 amp rig since many power pedestals at older parks have very worn 30 amp receptacles.
No. As mentioned, a breaker does not trip the instant it reaches it's rating. It's NOT how standard molded case breakers work. A breaker has an inverse time-current characteristic as shown in the standard graph below. They have a thermal magnetic element in them. As the element heats up, it trips sooner at higher currents. At short circuit levels, the magnetic element trips it instantaneously.

There is no issue using a 50 to 30 amp or 30 amp to 50 amp adapter. If you are 30 amps and have 50 amps available in a pedestal, it can sometimes be a good idea to use an adapter since 30 amp receptacles in pedestals can be in bad condition and result in overheating.

Having a breaker being able to operate for a short period over it's rating is advantageous sometimes and desirable. For ex., you can run a MW or hair dryer and be over 30 amps for a short period and not trip the breaker.

drsteve
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fj12ryder wrote:
SoundGuy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, if I plugged my RV into the dryer outlet, if it fit of course, no harm would come to my RV because they're both 240 volts? Correct?


Your RV is wired for 120 vac main service, NOT 240 vac. What do you think will happen if you plug your 120 vac trailer into 240 vac source power? :E
Yes, I know. I was trying to make a point about DSteiner51 stating:

"If in fact my house is 240 volts and my dryer, range, and well pump, then my 5th wheel is also 240 volts. When I use a volt meter and jump between my two hot bars in my RV it reads 240 volts. Horrors!"


DSteiner51 is correct. It will work just fine, because they are identical in every way. Your RV uses the two 120V legs separately, to supply 120V to the various systems of the RV. Your stove, dryer, or whatever, uses the two 120V legs together to get 240V.

Next time you're on a 50 amp RV site, get your voltmeter out and check. Hot to neutral, 120V. The other hot to neutral, 120V. Hot to hot, 240V. Just like the stove outlet at home.

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myredracer
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philh wrote:
As a mechanical engineer, I don't deal well in imaginary numbers...

Are RV pedestal 50a circuits single phase or two phase?
LOL! If you were an EE, you'd have to deal with something called "imaginary power"... ๐Ÿ™‚

down_home
Explorer II
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As someone else pointed out, there is no 220 or 240 volt circuits in the rv.

You have to separate 120 volt 50 amp lugs/circuits and one common ground.

fj12ryder
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Explorer III
SoundGuy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, if I plugged my RV into the dryer outlet, if it fit of course, no harm would come to my RV because they're both 240 volts? Correct?


Your RV is wired for 120 vac main service, NOT 240 vac. What do you think will happen if you plug your 120 vac trailer into 240 vac source power? :E
Yes, I know. I was trying to make a point about DSteiner51 stating:

"If in fact my house is 240 volts and my dryer, range, and well pump, then my 5th wheel is also 240 volts. When I use a volt meter and jump between my two hot bars in my RV it reads 240 volts. Horrors!"
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time2roll
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philh wrote:
As a mechanical engineer, I don't deal well in imaginary numbers...

Are RV pedestal 50a circuits single phase or two phase?
I think the common term is split phase since you can use either the 240v between the hots or 120v from hot to neutral. Although single phase would be correct based on the single coil source. Some call it two phase since the two hots are 180 out of phase from each other. Definitely not three phase.

wnjj
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Explorer II
fj12ryder wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, if I plugged my RV into the dryer outlet, if it fit of course, no harm would come to my RV because they're both 240 volts? Correct?

If your dryer outlet has 4 wires to include a neutral, your RV plug has 4 pins and the plug fits, you are correct.

The trouble starts when people plug 30A 3-pin RVโ€™s into 240V 3-pin dryer outlets.

SoundGuy
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fj12ryder wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, if I plugged my RV into the dryer outlet, if it fit of course, no harm would come to my RV because they're both 240 volts? Correct?


Your RV is wired for 120 vac main service, NOT 240 vac. What do you think will happen if you plug your 120 vac trailer into 240 vac source power? :E
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vermilye
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philh wrote:
As a mechanical engineer, I don't deal well in imaginary numbers...

Are RV pedestal 50a circuits single phase or two phase?
Single phase 120/240V

philh
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Explorer II
As a mechanical engineer, I don't deal well in imaginary numbers...

Are RV pedestal 50a circuits single phase or two phase?

rk911
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fj12ryder
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DSteiner51 wrote:
rk911 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just get a 50 amp to 30 amp adapter. You plug your 50 amp plug into it and then into the 30 amp pedestal. Easy peasy.

and no, a 50-amp RV pedestal is not 220-volts. it is two separate legs of 120-volts, each leg capable of supplying 50-amps. you can safely connect your 30-amp RV to the 50-amp RV pedestal using the 30-female/50-male dogbone adapter


My house has 2 120 volt wires come into my main breaker box and a double 200 amp breaker. Farther down are several double breakers, 1 for the dryer, 1 for the range, 1 for the well pump, and 1 for my 5th wheel. In my 5th wheel the main breaker is again a 50 amp double breaker. If in fact my house is 240 volts and my dryer, range, and well pump, then my 5th wheel is also 240 volts. When I use a volt meter and jump between my two hot bars in my RV it reads 240 volts. Horrors!
So if I'm reading this right, if I plugged my RV into the dryer outlet, if it fit of course, no harm would come to my RV because they're both 240 volts? Correct?
Howard and Peggy

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DSteiner51
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rk911 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just get a 50 amp to 30 amp adapter. You plug your 50 amp plug into it and then into the 30 amp pedestal. Easy peasy.

and no, a 50-amp RV pedestal is not 220-volts. it is two separate legs of 120-volts, each leg capable of supplying 50-amps. you can safely connect your 30-amp RV to the 50-amp RV pedestal using the 30-female/50-male dogbone adapter


My house has 2 120 volt wires come into my main breaker box and a double 200 amp breaker. Farther down are several double breakers, 1 for the dryer, 1 for the range, 1 for the well pump, and 1 for my 5th wheel. In my 5th wheel the main breaker is again a 50 amp double breaker. If in fact my house is 240 volts and my dryer, range, and well pump, then my 5th wheel is also 240 volts. When I use a volt meter and jump between my two hot bars in my RV it reads 240 volts. Horrors!
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Dutch_12078
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rk911 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just get a 50 amp to 30 amp adapter. You plug your 50 amp plug into it and then into the 30 amp pedestal. Easy peasy.

and no, a 50-amp RV pedestal is not 220-volts. it is two separate legs of 120-volts, each leg capable of supplying 50-amps. you can safely connect your 30-amp RV to the 50-amp RV pedestal using the 30-female/50-male dogbone adapter


Maybe you should take a look at the next RV park pedestal you see with a 50 amp outlet. Notice that it has "120/240V" embossed or molded on it. Newer outlets may have "125/250V" on them. You may even notice that it's exactly the same NEMA 14-50 format that 120/240 volt residential ranges plug into. There is nothing special about the outlet or how it's wired for RV use compared to normal residential use.
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If the 50 amp outlet is a standard NEMA 14-50 then you can use a standard 50-30 RV adapter.
Look for the "NEMA 14-50" right on the face of it.

Otherwise do not force anything in or the magic smoke comes out.