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anybody towing 3/4 burb 6.0L towing 9K+ LBS

splegge
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Explorer
Hi folks,

I have a have 2006 2500 burb with 6.0L 4.10. with WDH - tow rating 9600 LBS. we are looking to upgrade campers to weighing between 9K - 9.5K LBS.

ANybody have any experience pulling this set-up.

anyfeed back on campers is an extra bonus and you should buy a lotto ticket for being so kind...

Possible Campers - these are out of the factory at 8000LBS.
freedom express 312BHDS

Catilina 32TSBH

Jayco
eagle - 324bts

Jay flight 32TSBH
2013 312bhds Freedom Express
2016 F350 Crewcab w/6.7
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BigToe
Explorer
Explorer
Some aftermarket receivers create more problems than they were intended to solve.

The rear frame section on the utilities version of the GMT800 is quite a bit thinner than the GMT400 it replaced. I used to have the exact thickness dimensions, but they are not handy right now.

The foregoing is true even for the 2500 series that uses open C channel rear sections formed with stiffening lips on the flange edges, as opposed to the fully boxed channels using even thinner material on the 1500 series.

The point is, some of the beefy, heavy, aftermarket hitches can actually cause more frame damage in the area where those hitches join the frame.

One poor design that I have seen is where the side plate of the aftermarket hitch has outboard facing flanges. Poor design for a GMT800, because unlike the GMT900, which is very similar on a 2500 Utility, the upper and lower frame flanges are not tied together on the open inboard side.

With an aftermarket hitch that has outboard facing flanges, the weight on the hitch wants to pull down the inboard edges of the open frame flanges... and this cannot be counteracted with a side plate that would tie the frame's web with the hitch side plate.

Bah, I'm having too difficult of a time trying to word this....

Just recognize that there are some hitch designs that are better than others, and the sheer weight of the hitch is not necessarily indicative of good design.

The upside down U shaped double side plates that the GM factory hitch uses to mate to the frame is a great design, in my opinion. I haven't seen damaged or buckled frames from the factory hitches like I have with Putnam (no longer in business) hitches, as an example.

Of course, the complaint about the factory hitches is not where it meets the frame, it is where the ball mount is attached. Despite seeing many of the pictures and reading many of the posts, and despite personally participating in many of the discussions years ago when the issue was more timely, and despite ordering in a Reese Titan 45013 to keep on hand for this application, I stayed with the factory hitch and it has continued to perform within it's specifications.

That being said, I do understand why people are concerned about that center section. I have seen some observable flex here in my setup tests years ago, and I found that it was due to the tongue weight being greater than I had "guessed". I would spend $100.00 on a Sherline tongue weight scale before spending $200.00 on a new hitch. I haven't seen any flex since keeping the tongue weight scale on hand and using it with every weight configuration change.

Dadoffourgirls
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Explorer
splegge wrote:
No I have not replaced the hitch. Why do you mention?

With 5 fam members and dog, wife is not fan of PU. still trying to talk her into that...


As the other two mention, there has been cases of failure on these. Most have been towing heavy. There is also the ability to shift the weight to the front tires with the stock hitch as it does allow some flex.

I decided it was cheap insurance to prevent the end of a vacation.

And in regards to a PU, I still miss my Yukon XL. APT misses his truck.
Dad of Four Girls
Wife
Employee of GM, all opinions are my own!
2017 Express Ext 3500 (Code named "BIGGER ED" by daughters)
2011 Jayco Jayflight G2 32BHDS

mojoroo
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Reason is that Chevy hitch/receivers are known to fail in a catastrophic way. I just swapped mine out for a much beefier Curt. The hitch shop that I got it from installed if for $40. The owner who did the work said he is changing his out also. Said there is no comparison between the wimpy oem and the Curt hitch.

I have a 7200# trailer and my tongue weight is 1200#, I choose not to worry or risk someone getting hurt over $260.

APT
Explorer
Explorer
There were a number of reports of the OEM receiver failing well under the OEM ratings when those trucks were new. I researched and wanted essentially Dadoffourgirls' prior Suburban and had budgeted an extra $200 for a replacement receiver.

Here is a gear/torque multiplciation comparison netween the 8.1L/4.10/4-spd and 6.0L/3.73/6-spd. While the peak torque is quite a bit higher with the 6.0L, the much deeper first gear and shorter gear spacing really mates well and provides a significantly improved driving experience over the prior 4-spd. Maybe not as great as the 8.1L at the 6.0L requires some extra downshifts, but it pulls pretty hard over 3500rpm.

A & A parents of DD 2005, DS1 2007, DS2 2009
2011 Suburban 2500 6.0L 3.73 pulling 2011 Heartland North Trail 28BRS
2017 Subaru Outback 3.6R
2x 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV (Gray and Black Twins)

splegge
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No I have not replaced the hitch. Why do you mention?

With 5 fam members and dog, wife is not fan of PU. still trying to talk her into that...
2013 312bhds Freedom Express
2016 F350 Crewcab w/6.7

N-Trouble
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Explorer
Had a 2002 2500HD CCSB 4x4 and towed 8Klb toyhauler with it and can't say it was the most enjoyable of experiences. Towing on flat ground was fine unless you hit a stong headwind however towing through the mountains was a chore. THe 6.0 does not do well with the 4 speed (even with 4:10's)I had in that truck and spent a lot of time in 2nd gear screaming up mountain passes. Yes it would get the job done and the truck handled the load well but the lack of any real low end torque coming form the 6.0 mated to the 4-speed would not be my first choice for a tow vehicle. Mileage was 8MPG at best... Sold the truck last year and picked up a 2012 Duramax and haven't looked back.
2015 Attitude 28SAG w/slide
2012 GMC 2500HD SLT Duramax
B&W Turnover w/Andersen Ultimate 5er hitch

Dadoffourgirls
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Explorer
Lantley wrote:

So how does your 6.0 tow your 32BHDS vs. your old 8.1 I see from your sig. you have had both


My 6.0 with 6sp tows my 32BHDS as good or better than the 8.1. I initially did it with the benefit of being able to use a new 2500HD with the 6.0 and 3.73; and without the benefit of calculating out the ratio's. If you look at the tables that APT has done, you will see why it works better.

Additionally, the new truck gets 14 mpg versus 11 mpg from the old (monthly average of mixed use).

I was hoping to get a new 1500 2014 Silverado with the 5.3 and 3.42 that is rated at 9700lb to test towing the trailer. However, I have only found them with the 3.08 or with the 4.3.
Dad of Four Girls
Wife
Employee of GM, all opinions are my own!
2017 Express Ext 3500 (Code named "BIGGER ED" by daughters)
2011 Jayco Jayflight G2 32BHDS

APT
Explorer
Explorer
I would not be satisfied with performance from the 4-spd. But the rest of the truck should do well.
A & A parents of DD 2005, DS1 2007, DS2 2009
2011 Suburban 2500 6.0L 3.73 pulling 2011 Heartland North Trail 28BRS
2017 Subaru Outback 3.6R
2x 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV (Gray and Black Twins)

Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
splegge wrote:
Hi folks,

I have a have 2006 2500 burb with 6.0L 4.10. with WDH - tow rating 9600 LBS. we are looking to upgrade campers to weighing between 9K - 9.5K LBS.

ANybody have any experience pulling this set-up.

anyfeed back on campers is an extra bonus and you should buy a lotto ticket for being so kind...

Possible Campers - these are out of the factory at 8000LBS.
freedom express 312BHDS

Catilina 32TSBH

Jayco
eagle - 324bts

Jay flight 32TSBH


So how does your 6.0 tow your 32BHDS vs. your old 8.1 I see from your sig. you have had both
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BakFlip,RVLock,Prog.50A surge ,Hughes autoformer
Porta Bote 8.0 Nissan, Sailun S637

Dadoffourgirls
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Explorer
splegge wrote:
Hi folks,

I have a have 2006 2500 burb with 6.0L 4.10. with WDH - tow rating 9600 LBS. we are looking to upgrade campers to weighing between 9K - 9.5K LBS.

ANybody have any experience pulling this set-up.

anyfeed back on campers is an extra bonus and you should buy a lotto ticket for being so kind...

Possible Campers - these are out of the factory at 8000LBS.
freedom express 312BHDS

Catilina 32TSBH

Jayco
eagle - 324bts

Jay flight 32TSBH


I am not sure of the tongue weight on these, but the Jayco 32BHDS was 1400 lbs after sticking all my stuff in the front compartment when new. (I have removed most of the stuff now, but not verified new weight.)

Have you replaced the stock hitch? If not, and you keep your vehicle, I would strongly recommend that you replace.
Dad of Four Girls
Wife
Employee of GM, all opinions are my own!
2017 Express Ext 3500 (Code named "BIGGER ED" by daughters)
2011 Jayco Jayflight G2 32BHDS

splegge
Explorer
Explorer
Yes I have a 4.10.
2013 312bhds Freedom Express
2016 F350 Crewcab w/6.7

kevden
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Explorer
I am towing a outback 312bh which is listed by the manufacturer 7600# dry weight. We do not pack lightly, 3 kids and all of their clothes,toys, bikes, etc. Plus we usually travel with the fresh water tank full or at least partial. And the fridge and cupboards full of food. The truck (2003 Yukon Xl with 6.0l and 4.10 gears) does pretty good. I have a bully dog gt gauge/tuner and a k&n cone air filter, and I added an aux. Transmission cooler in addition to the OEM one to protect the trans.
2012 Keystone Outback 312bh

2003 GMC Yukon XL 2500 4X4 Quadrasteer

2010 VW Routan
2007 Chrysler Pacifica AWD

MARK_VANDERBENT
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Explorer
If you are sure you have a 410 axle then the 6.0 and 410 is a pretty stout set up. Just keep it in 3rd with tow haul on and don't use cruise unless flat land.