Are the 2016 Ram HD’s Output Figures Bogus?

[45Ricochet]

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[Cummins12V98]

debraindi wrote:
I think its good that Dodge could squeak there new 3500 in just under the 4500 and ford doped there law suit against Dodge calming there new 3500 should be rated as 4500.

I have been saying my 15 RAM Dually is a 4500 with 3500 badges. The 14K GVWR is just a number!

[Madhatter1]

The numbers are bogus. My 14 is a sad sack computer controlled never gonna make rated HP contraption. Press the pedal and it works like an HVAC chiller. It will load up and start to make power but do it on its own preset parameters. Parameters which have NOTHING to do with real world driving. A good example is my truck does quite well hauling the 14.5K loaded toyhauler but with a 4-5K cargo trailer in Montana hills it IS A PATHETIC POS THAT CAN NOT FIND THE RIGHT GEAR OR PRODUCE THE EXPECTED POWER to drive normally. Choice is a slug or drive it floored and back off and then back on.

Bottom line is the advertised HP and TQ is something that it could potentially make under some rare circumstances. Very rare. Maybe unique.

[debraindi]

I think its good that Dodge could squeak there new 3500 in just under the 4500 and ford doped there law suit against Dodge calming there new 3500 should be rated as 4500.

[Targa]

You can have to much of all of that ^^^ ...:B

[RADROG]

Good on RAM. You can never have too much Horsepower, Money or Pretty Women. lol

[rhagfo]

BenK wrote:
But....they/their marketing department is constantly being told via sales and
assume many of their survey's that HP sells...

Always has been and seemingly...will continue to be...HP is KING
to their buyers...as this thread proves...right?

Maybe, but Cummins didn't raise the HP rating still 385 HP they raised the Torque rating from 850 to 900.

Now I know all about the HP and torque formulas, but my old 5.9 Cummins is too stupid to know that, so it just does a great job of moving 20,000# of TV and 5er at speed of traffic with less than 280 hp, but a bunch of torque.
What is amazing to me is that these New Diesels with all this HP and Torque, still can get 20 mpg empty on the open road! Then most can get north of 10 mpg pulling decent loads, Cummins12V98 can almost get that on flat land with about 30,000# GCVW!

[fla-gypsy]

Fast Mopar wrote:

45Ricochet wrote:
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So, the takeaway from this is that all 3 manufacturers sell HD diesel trucks with insane amounts of power. And, all 3 manufacturers use different standards to measure that power, which makes absolutely no sense at all (Ram J1995, Ford J1349, GM J2723).

Whats the chance they all use a different standard to make sure they can publish the highest numbers possible? =100%. Anyone claiming otherwise is only fooling 1 person.

[mowermech]

Are the numbers bogus?
Quite possibly, yes.
Chrysler Corporation has historically set their horsepower numbers below the actual dynomometer numbers.
Take the 440 Magnum and 426 Hemi, for instance. In actual dyno tests of bone-stock engines in the late '60s/early '70s, they were shown to have much more HP and torque than the advertising claims.
The Cummins engines have always been capable of a great deal more HP and torque than Dodge set them for.
So, yes, there is a good chance the numbers are bogus, but on the low side!

[Fast_Mopar]

45Ricochet wrote:
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So, the takeaway from this is that all 3 manufacturers sell HD diesel trucks with insane amounts of power. And, all 3 manufacturers use different standards to measure that power, which makes absolutely no sense at all (Ram J1995, Ford J1349, GM J2723).

[Big_Katuna]

Or work on cost a little. Almost $12K for the upgrade.

[jerem0621]

It's nearly a silly thing that these manufacturers are doing.

One thing that is worth noting is that the Ford has more standard HP and Standard TQ than anyone else.

But really, any of them can do the job easily that we RV'ers ask of these diesels. I would have to have a CDL to use one to its full potential...but as an insulin dependent diabetic that will never happen.

Even their gas trucks are very capable of doing most tasks...with 360-400 plus HP from the gassers...it's hard to complain. (But we do)

Thanks,

Jeremiah

[Farmerjon]

IdaD wrote:
I have no idea how accurate the numbers are, but all three of the big diesels have plenty of power. I wish they'd start trying to one up each other on fuel economy now and stop chasing more power.

X2
Although it doesn't really effect me as I won't be looking for a new truck for the next 10 to 15 years and I will be 80 to 85 years old at that time.

[BenK]

But....they/their marketing department is constantly being told via sales and
assume many of their survey's that HP sells...

Always has been and seemingly...will continue to be...HP is KING
to their buyers...as this thread proves...right?

[sch911]

They are the correct figures based on the supply chain. I agree all the diesels have plenty of power these days....

[IdaD]

I have no idea how accurate the numbers are, but all three of the big diesels have plenty of power. I wish they'd start trying to one up each other on fuel economy now and stop chasing more power.