F-Series trucks # 1 for 40 years

[ACZL]

Am surprised that no-one posted anything about this yesterday that it was reported that Fords F-series have been the #1 selling truck for 40 years. Not being a smart alec just cuz I own a Ford, just saying what I read.

[BenK]

Personally...only care about this kind of topic for the numbers and long model
run so that parts (dealer, after market, parts houses and junk yards) will be
plentiful and cost reduced via numbers...

Now if traded in every 2-3-5 or so years...then maybe being with the herd might
have a position on my 'have to have' list of stuff...

As for bailout or any kind of assistance...they are mostly all run
by bean counter...(AKA bottom line) folks and too often run them
into the ground

Bottom line is important, but not as important or equally as important
as managing their 'product'...and if their product is good...the
bottom line comes along

motortrend-Angus MacKenzie wrote:


http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0611_the_big_picture/index.html

Bunkie Knudsen, David Halberstam writes, believed in a simple concept: The people in Detroit had to make good cars, and if they did, the people in New York would take care of the stock. If only it were still true...

[Old-Biscuit]

N-Trouble wrote:
And in other news McDonalds sells the most burgers...

Exactly.....

High sells has NOTHING to do with quality

[spud1957]

Since the discussion came up regarding bailout; part of the GM bailout was GM had to shut the Oshawa plant in Canada. Resulted in hundreds of GM workers laid off.



Booooo GM.

[SouthpawHD]

The pot-stirrers are out and about...

[Lessmore]

ACZL wrote:
Am surprised that no-one posted anything about this yesterday that it was reported that Fords F-series have been the #1 selling truck for 40 years. Not being a smart alec just cuz I own a Ford, just saying what I read.

I see.

In Canada Ford used to sell both Ford and Mercury pickup tricks, till the 1968 model year. After that model year, Ford of Canada dropped the Mercury line and sold only Ford pickups at both Ford and Mercury lines.

Our family business had a '68 Mercury M250...300 inline six, 3 on the tree. Good work truck.

Chevrolet used to out sell Ford and Mercury, till Ford dropped the Mercury truck line...then Ford became # 1 in pickup truck sales in Canada.

But if over the years, add up Chevy and GMC pickup truck numbers sold in Canada and the USA, a lot of times the 'General' sells the most pickup trucks.

As a result of all this history...I regard Ford pickup sales numbers in both the USA/Canada, in the same vein as a clever accountant works financial numbers.

Total pickup truck sales champion, a lot of times goes to GM, when you count all GMC and Chevrolet pickup truck numbers. But if you count just one badge...ie; Ford...then Ford wins the title.

[mich800]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Chuck_thehammer wrote:
Fleet - Lease units do make the spreadsheets look good.

Yes, I own a past Fleet-Lease F 250 unit.

Ohio oil industry all Fords. Texas oil and electric all Fords.
F 150 to F 750... my opinion...

fyi this is my First Ford Truck. I was a car guy and not Ford.

In the real world where people actually own their trucks and use them hauling RV's and other transport trailers RAM Trucks dominate the field.

And fleet managers are tools? Not concerned with the total life costs of their vehicles to keep their jobs. It is often tossed out here on this forum about fleet sales like they are completely ignorant of these facts.

[Fordlover]

proxim2020 wrote:

Thomas/NH wrote:
Ford has been good for me... Back during the recession when the big three were looking for a bailout, I was impressed by Ford's position and decided to back them. I bought 5000 shares at $1.59 (against my broker's better judgment, "you're throwing your money away") now it's $13.17 (now back to investment grade and paying dividends again). I know I should be shrewd and divest, but with the new models coming out and the investment in electrics I'm going to let it ride.

I've alway owned Fords both personally and in my company, they've served me well.

You do know Ford ended up taking money from the government right? Originally they approached the government like all others asking for $9 Billion, but changed their mind when they got a slick idea. They instead borrowed almost $6 Billion from the Energy Department instead of going through TARP (The Bailout Program). They could then say that they didn't have to take bailout money. Ford Credit received almost $16 billion from the government. Ford's financial arm borrowed more than any other competitor. The fact is everybody got bailed out in one way or another.

You can split this any way you want, but the reality is a loan and a bailout aren't the same, even if they have similar effects.
Loan-noun. 1. A thing that is borrowed, especially a sum of money that is expected to be paid back with interest. (this is Ford's case)
Bailout-noun. 1. An act of giving financial assistance to a failing business or economy to save it from collapse. (GM/Chrysler)

I love when people try to make a bailout/bankruptcy that screwed over the bondholders of old GM equivalent to the government loan Ford took (loan, paid back with interest, meaning the Government is poised to make money), and bond holders aren't screwed over. It just makes that person look small and agenda driven.

[MNGeeks61]

Terryallan wrote:

MNGeeks61 wrote:
I'm not sure why this is important who sells the most trucks anyway, but since we're on the buyout/bailout now...

Ford still owes money

Botom line. Ford was NOT bailed out, and taken over by the Gov, as was GM, and Chrysler. Ford simply borrowed money long BEFORE the Bailout, and got their house in order.

GM was bailed out, and then went bankrupt. Makes you wonder why they were bailed out, and Chrysler was bailed out, and sold to Fiat.

we all know GM guys like to say Ford was bailed out as well, Just to make themselves feel better. But in fact. Ford was not, and is very proud that they didn't take the bailout.

In fact, when Ford, GM, and Chrysler's CEO were before congress. They were asked IF they were given the money, would they work the next couple years for ONE dollar. GM, and Chrysler CEOs said YES, just give us the money. Ford's CEO said, and I quote. NO I'm good. I just came here to help them out. Ford didn't want the money, didn't need the money and didn't take it.

I never said they took the bailout/buyout. They did, however, borrow money from the government and still owe some. Read the article, they did not borrow from the gov't prior to the crisis. They did mortgage and had like 23 billion in 2006, so they were ok.

Nothing against Ford, they were in good shape prior and appear to be still in good shape. As I understand it, that borrowed money went towards smaller efficient vehicles and research on the aluminum bodies they're producing now.

I can see you'd think I was being negative, but I'm just showing the facts. Ford's position was definitely better than GM's complete failure and Chrysler's forced buyout by Fiat.

[Terryallan]

proxim2020 wrote:

Thomas/NH wrote:
Ford has been good for me... Back during the recession when the big three were looking for a bailout, I was impressed by Ford's position and decided to back them. I bought 5000 shares at $1.59 (against my broker's better judgment, "you're throwing your money away") now it's $13.17 (now back to investment grade and paying dividends again). I know I should be shrewd and divest, but with the new models coming out and the investment in electrics I'm going to let it ride.

I've alway owned Fords both personally and in my company, they've served me well.

You do know Ford ended up taking money from the government right? Originally they approached the government like all others asking for $9 Billion, but changed their mind when they got a slick idea. They instead borrowed almost $6 Billion from the Energy Department instead of going through TARP (The Bailout Program). They could then say that they didn't have to take bailout money. Ford Credit received almost $16 billion from the government. Ford's financial arm borrowed more than any other competitor. The fact is everybody got bailed out in one way or another.

A lot of difference between a LOAN, and a Bailout. they also took out the loan long before the bailout. I have a loan for my house. Trust me. It is NOT a bailout.

[Terryallan]

MNGeeks61 wrote:
I'm not sure why this is important who sells the most trucks anyway, but since we're on the buyout/bailout now...

Ford still owes money

Botom line. Ford was NOT bailed out, and taken over by the Gov, as was GM, and Chrysler. Ford simply borrowed money long BEFORE the Bailout, and got their house in order.

GM was bailed out, and then went bankrupt. Makes you wonder why they were bailed out, and Chrysler was bailed out, and sold to Fiat.

we all know GM guys like to say Ford was bailed out as well, Just to make themselves feel better. But in fact. Ford was not, and is very proud that they didn't take the bailout.

In fact, when Ford, GM, and Chrysler's CEO were before congress. They were asked IF they were given the money, would they work the next couple years for ONE dollar. GM, and Chrysler CEOs said YES, just give us the money. Ford's CEO said, and I quote. NO I'm good. I just came here to help them out. Ford didn't want the money, didn't need the money and didn't take it.

[Terryallan]

4x4ord wrote:
Unless GM's sales numbers are combined with Chevy's when comparing it doesn't mean much to me.

Ford still wins.
Ford for 2016....820,799

Chevy for 2016...574,876

GMC..............221,680

total........... 796,556...........for a minus of 24,243

Me I don't care. I'm old, and unless this truck goes up in smoke or worse. I have bought my last one., and in truth they all do a good job at what they are supposed to do.

BTW. I did not post the Ram because that wasn't ask. but it was between the Chevy, and GMC

[MNGeeks61]

I'm not sure why this is important who sells the most trucks anyway, but since we're on the buyout/bailout now...

Ford still owes money

[BB_TX]

proxim2020 wrote:
............ Ford Credit received almost $16 billion from the government. Ford's financial arm borrowed more than any other competitor. The fact is everybody got bailed out in one way or another.

The government put $49.5 billion into GM, and got $39 billion back. A $10.5 billion loss.

GM bailout

GM and Chrysler went thru government structured bankruptcies.

Ford borrowed $5.9 billion from the energy department and used it to upgrade its manufacturing plants and vehicles, not for a bailout. And they asked for a $9 billion credit line in case of further downturn. And why not use it if the money was available. Good business sense.

Ford loan details

Ford was for the GM/Chrysler bailout as a failure of one or both of GM/Chrysler would have negatively affected Ford's business.

[Cummins12V98]

Chuck_thehammer wrote:
Fleet - Lease units do make the spreadsheets look good.

Yes, I own a past Fleet-Lease F 250 unit.

Ohio oil industry all Fords. Texas oil and electric all Fords.
F 150 to F 750... my opinion...

fyi this is my First Ford Truck. I was a car guy and not Ford.

In the real world where people actually own their trucks and use them hauling RV's and other transport trailers RAM Trucks dominate the field.

[N-Trouble]

And in other news McDonalds sells the most burgers...