Nissan and cummins.

[MerkelG]

Cummins in a Nissan for 2016. Nissanusa.com/truck

[RobertRyan]

mrkoje wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

mrkoje wrote:
It might serve a niche market - I was reading that they are making a Titan XD (supposedly heavier duty than a half ton but not quite a 3/4 ton) Anyways, it's capable up to 12 or 13000 lbs towing and more than 2000 lbs payload.

I see the market here (I don't know if it's very big) but I can see the use for it. I don't expect the 5.0L Cummins to be putting out the fuel economy numbers like the 3.0 Ecodiesel from Ram or the Ecoboost from Ford - but hey seems interesting right? Can't wait to see one in person. FWIW I think Toyota also signed on to the 5.0 Cummins program so Nissan probably will not be the only player in developing a truck that is between a half ton and 3/4 ton truck.

If RAM can sell all of the Diesels they can produce-there will indeed be a market for this truck. Nissan has always made good trucks-they just never sold in great numbers for other reasons.

Not sure they always made good trucks. The Frontier has been successful on an international scale - and suppose it has in tthe US as well for the market its in. Maybe the Titan was a good truck on reliablity but it sure wasn't if you're grading on performance. The Titan has been in desperate need of an update for a decade. I don't think it was much of a surprise on how little they sold when the price was the only number that was inline with the Big 3. For example Titans big V8 was/is putting out 6cyl numbers on HP and TQ. The interior was horrible and the ride subpar. In my opinion I wouldn't even call the Titan a competitor in the 1500 series class. That is maybe until now - they might just be onto something. We shall see!

No the Navara the diesel engined look a like of the Frontier , can tow a 5th Wheeler, carry about 2,500lbs. Much stronger and Heavier chassis than Frontier

[goducks10]

Only negative to the F150 HD package is you have to order it. With the Nissan it's going to be a stock item.

[mrkoje]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

mrkoje wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Shame RAM let that one get away.

I don't think its a shame - Ram was/is going for fuel economy out of a 1500 series truck. Which is why they have a 3.0L they call an Ecodiesel. The 5.0L Cummins wouldn't have made much sense in a 1500 platform especially with Ram offering the 6.7L Cummins in a 2500.

I don't think the economy would have been much different. Reports of 23mpg are not hard to obtain. My 98 12V 2wd 5 speed will do that no problem on the freeway.

Well the Ecodiesel in the Ram puts out 28MPG with various customer reports of even higher. I don't believe the 5.0L Cummins mated with a Nissan truck will be pulling anything close to that. I could be wrong but will have to wait to find out. All I'm saying is that it isn't a "shame" that Ram passed on the 5.0L Cummins. That engine just wasn't what Ram was looking for in a small displacement diesel for fuel economy. I do think it's a perfect fit for Nissan or Toyota or any manufacturer that wants to make a heavier duty 1500 series truck with more capability than the other 1500s on the market but yet more nimble than a traditional 3/4 ton.

Like another poster said though - Ford has the 2000lb payload beat with their F150 when equipped with the HD payload and Max tow packages. So we'll see where this Nissan takes us - it's a market for sure albeit we don't really know how large.

[DaveF-250SD]

smkettner wrote:
13" ring gear and 2000 pound payload? I think Nissan is missing the mark here.

Agreed. Almost as if they are one-upping the Tundra's 10.5" ring gear. They can put a 25" ring gear and 8 inch axle tubes in it if they choose to, at the end of the day it is still a semi-floating axle. They should have sourced or designed a 9.75-10.5 inch full floating axle. That would easily get them into a payload capacity comparable to some 3/4 ton trucks. Perhaps their intent is to keep it in the half ton class, where it will be top dog with 500+ ft. lbs. of torque and diesel power.

[time2roll]

13" ring gear and 2000 pound payload? I think Nissan is missing the mark here.

[Cummins12V98]

mrkoje wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Shame RAM let that one get away.

I don't think its a shame - Ram was/is going for fuel economy out of a 1500 series truck. Which is why they have a 3.0L they call an Ecodiesel. The 5.0L Cummins wouldn't have made much sense in a 1500 platform especially with Ram offering the 6.7L Cummins in a 2500.

I don't think the economy would have been much different. Reports of 23mpg are not hard to obtain. My 98 12V 2wd 5 speed will do that no problem on the freeway.

[fx2tom]

BenK wrote:


My guess is that their weak link will be in the tranny...

6 speed Aisin I think it should be alright

[BenK]

It all boils down to what is the weakest link in the food chain down to pavement

It sure has the power or enough power, but that isn't the weak link in most
TV's towing heavy...it is the pay load and the diff rating

On the diff rating...tell me folks...who has a diff ring gear larger than what
is announced to be?

Quote from: Off-Road.com

offroad.com wrote:

The Titan XD features purpose-built American Axle Manufacturing (AAM) axles: 9.25 inches in front,

13.0 inches

with 3.5-inch axle tubes in the rear. Nissan says an electronic locking rear differential is an available option

My Sub is a 8.6K GVWR, 6K RGAWR with a 10.5" dia ring gear. The newer
pickups have 11.5" dia ring gear with a +7K RGAWR

This is going to or reported to have a 13" dia ring gear from the same supplier
to GM as mine...AAM

My guess is that their weak link will be in the tranny...until they
figure that out and very soon after problems, if problems, are found


Been saying for years...that the big three's +8K GVWR will have their
lunches eaten by foreign if they don't get their act together...they
have been getting it together and IHMO pushed by foreign...

I might jump if Nissan comes out with a decent (to me) SUV with a
+8K GVWR

[john_bet]

I'll take my 5.0L Cummins in a Freightliner Chassis please, thank you.

[mrkoje]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Shame RAM let that one get away.

I don't think its a shame - Ram was/is going for fuel economy out of a 1500 series truck. Which is why they have a 3.0L they call an Ecodiesel. The 5.0L Cummins wouldn't have made much sense in a 1500 platform especially with Ram offering the 6.7L Cummins in a 2500.

[Cummins12V98]

Shame RAM let that one get away.

[bucky]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Cummins saved the Dodge truck, let's see what happens here.

[hone_eagle]

If I had a buck for every post that stated "if only toy or nissan made a HD truck , one would be in my driveway"
I would be a hundredaire and toy or nissen would have a sold out production year.
we will now see if it was only hot air.

[mrkoje]

CKNSLS wrote:

mrkoje wrote:
It might serve a niche market - I was reading that they are making a Titan XD (supposedly heavier duty than a half ton but not quite a 3/4 ton) Anyways, it's capable up to 12 or 13000 lbs towing and more than 2000 lbs payload.

I see the market here (I don't know if it's very big) but I can see the use for it. I don't expect the 5.0L Cummins to be putting out the fuel economy numbers like the 3.0 Ecodiesel from Ram or the Ecoboost from Ford - but hey seems interesting right? Can't wait to see one in person. FWIW I think Toyota also signed on to the 5.0 Cummins program so Nissan probably will not be the only player in developing a truck that is between a half ton and 3/4 ton truck.

If RAM can sell all of the Diesels they can produce-there will indeed be a market for this truck. Nissan has always made good trucks-they just never sold in great numbers for other reasons.

Not sure they always made good trucks. The Frontier has been successful on an international scale - and suppose it has in the US as well for the market its in. Maybe the Titan was a good truck on reliablity but it sure wasn't if you're grading on performance. The Titan has been in desperate need of an update for a decade. I don't think it was much of a surprise on how little they sold when the price was the only number that was inline with the Big 3. For example Titans big V8 was/is putting out 6cyl numbers on HP and TQ. The interior was horrible and the ride subpar. In my opinion I wouldn't even call the Titan a competitor in the 1500 series class. That is maybe until now - they might just be onto something. We shall see!

[CKNSLS]

They did under size the axle. But that's got nothing to do with the new truck.