Germs while traveling

[azrving]

Does anyone use one of THESEin their travels? If the hook touches the germs wouldn’t you have to sanitize it or throw it away? How fast can the germs travel up the hook? I’ve been missing out on all this stuff so Im probably lucky to be alive. I never knew!

[NJRVer]

spoon059 wrote:
The CDC considers an exposure to be 10+ minutes in close indoor contact. As I've said before, the only people that I'm going to be in close indoor contact with for more than about 30 seconds are my family members. I won't wear a mask in my house, so it won't protect me anyways.

I've never understood the two mask idea, clearly many here don't understand it either. That is the problem for a lot of us... where is the science to establish that I need to wear a mask even if I am not a high risk and don't hang out with strangers. That is the frustration level for me.

Too many people don't understand what is beneficial and what is harmful. All these people wearing masks and gloves in their cars... what benefit do you think you are getting? All these people wearing gloves all the time... why? All the people wearing the same mask over and over and over... why? Nobody knows. I know the Covid death numbers are inflated. Anybody that has symptoms is labeled a Covid death. If you have lung cancer, you have "Covid symptoms". Flu and pneumonia the same. Heart disease, the same. I'm not seeing daily death numbers that are much different than in previous years. Everyone is dying from "Covid", but few people are dying from anything else right now. Then just last month the CDC quietly announced that 94% of Covid deaths had 2.5 co-morbidities as well.

There isn't science to support any of this. Its ridiculous. Look at the countries that didn't shut down and are doing fine. The original intent was a 2 week shut down to flatten the curve. My wife is a nurse, my sisters are nurses and my brother in law is a respiratory therapist. Hospitals are empty right now. Very few Covid patients, and even less patients of any type. No elective surgeries right now. The curve has been flattened for months. Let the healthy people return to normal, maybe they get Covid and get minor symptoms, but it lets their immune system build up anti-bodies. Our response to Covid is unprecedented and not supported by science.

I know if I have to go to the hospital for surgery, I will tell the operating room staff not to bother wearing masks, gloves, gowns.
Since there's no "science" to support it.

[azrving]

There is science and obviously science is good but just like anything else he who controls or funds the science controls the narrative. As I mentioned above a very small group of very wealthy people own the media. Its actually very dangerous for every one of us. An unbiased media is a watch dog for everyone. It’s crazy to trust what any of them are saying and now they are pushing the New Normal and a Great Socialist Reset. There may be an increase in RV sales but its only because of people not flying or not wanting to be in a hotel room. If the Reset and GND happen RVing will be over. Well travel will be over but more people will be living in RV’s

[spoon059]

The CDC considers an exposure to be 10+ minutes in close indoor contact. As I've said before, the only people that I'm going to be in close indoor contact with for more than about 30 seconds are my family members. I won't wear a mask in my house, so it won't protect me anyways.

I've never understood the two mask idea, clearly many here don't understand it either. That is the problem for a lot of us... where is the science to establish that I need to wear a mask even if I am not a high risk and don't hang out with strangers. That is the frustration level for me.

Too many people don't understand what is beneficial and what is harmful. All these people wearing masks and gloves in their cars... what benefit do you think you are getting? All these people wearing gloves all the time... why? All the people wearing the same mask over and over and over... why? Nobody knows. I know the Covid death numbers are inflated. Anybody that has symptoms is labeled a Covid death. If you have lung cancer, you have "Covid symptoms". Flu and pneumonia the same. Heart disease, the same. I'm not seeing daily death numbers that are much different than in previous years. Everyone is dying from "Covid", but few people are dying from anything else right now. Then just last month the CDC quietly announced that 94% of Covid deaths had 2.5 co-morbidities as well.

There isn't science to support any of this. Its ridiculous. Look at the countries that didn't shut down and are doing fine. The original intent was a 2 week shut down to flatten the curve. My wife is a nurse, my sisters are nurses and my brother in law is a respiratory therapist. Hospitals are empty right now. Very few Covid patients, and even less patients of any type. No elective surgeries right now. The curve has been flattened for months. Let the healthy people return to normal, maybe they get Covid and get minor symptoms, but it lets their immune system build up anti-bodies. Our response to Covid is unprecedented and not supported by science.

[Boon_Docker]

".....If its so bad why would people be buying rose bushes at HD and wouldn’t the census worker that came to my house stand six ft away? He didn’t stand six feet away, he walked over and shook my hand and stood right next to me."

It is the clueless people like that which will keep this pandemic going strong.

[CavemanCharlie]

magicbus wrote:
We live on an island that at this time of year is finally becoming isolated once again. Three weeks ago the locals held an end-of-summer party on the beach with 120 people. 20+ known cases from that. Two weeks ago a local church group held a gathering where they had a communal meal. 15+ cases from that.

Will they die? Unquestionably the odds favor their survival - talking about deaths is just a way to distract attention from the real problem. Will they have lingering effects? Unknown. Did they cost all of us serious $$$ to treat them and, in 3 cases, give them a helicopter ride to a mainland hospital that could deal with the severity level. Yes, that it did. We are all paying, in one form or another, the cost of all of these people getting sick and requiring medical attention.

Will masks stop this? The mosquito and fence analogy is just silly because of course a mask can't stop a virus, they are meant to limit the velocity of the particles that the virus is catching a ride on. Quite frankly after reading comments on these forums I truly believe we haven't a prayer of stopping this, so we may as well just figure out how to pay for it.

Dave

I want to say Thank-You and I agree.

Have a nice Day to all.

[azrving]

Anyone want to take a guess at how This would effect RVing. It says wont go back to our “Carbon intensive” lifestyle. Sure seems like RV and carbon intensive go together. Its interesting how GW and CV merge together. Remember the ozone action days? That wasn’t scary enough

[Boon_Docker]

magicbus wrote:
We live on an island that at this time of year is finally becoming isolated once again. Three weeks ago the locals held an end-of-summer party on the beach with 120 people. 20+ known cases from that. Two weeks ago a local church group held a gathering where they had a communal meal. 15+ cases from that.

Will they die? Unquestionably the odds favor their survival - talking about deaths is just a way to distract attention from the real problem. Will they have lingering effects? Unknown. Did they cost all of us serious $$$ to treat them and, in 3 cases, give them a helicopter ride to a mainland hospital that could deal with the severity level. Yes, that it did. We are all paying, in one form or another, the cost of all of these people getting sick and requiring medical attention.

Will masks stop this? The mosquito and fence analogy is just silly because of course a mask can't stop a virus, they are meant to limit the velocity of the particles that the virus is catching a ride on. Quite frankly after reading comments on these forums I truly believe we haven't a prayer of stopping this, so we may as well just figure out how to pay for it.

Dave

Unfortunately there are just too many clueless people out there. They figure wearing a mask and social distancing does not apply to them. Maybe those people should start paying attention to the States that are on the decline and follow what those States are doing.

[magicbus]

We live on an island that at this time of year is finally becoming isolated once again. Three weeks ago the locals held an end-of-summer party on the beach with 120 people. 20+ known cases from that. Two weeks ago a local church group held a gathering where they had a communal meal. 15+ cases from that.

Will they die? Unquestionably the odds favor their survival - talking about deaths is just a way to distract attention from the real problem. Will they have lingering effects? Unknown. Did they cost all of us serious $$$ to treat them and, in 3 cases, give them a helicopter ride to a mainland hospital that could deal with the severity level. Yes, that it did. We are all paying, in one form or another, the cost of all of these people getting sick and requiring medical attention.

Will masks stop this? The mosquito and fence analogy is just silly because of course a mask can't stop a virus, they are meant to limit the velocity of the particles that the virus is catching a ride on. Quite frankly after reading comments on these forums I truly believe we haven't a prayer of stopping this, so we may as well just figure out how to pay for it.

Dave

[azrving]

This isn’t surprising either It takes time to see the results of the improper use of some products
I couldn’t get the photo to work but its a post about kids with a strep infection on the face from mask use

[azrving]

Eric&Lisa wrote:

mr_andyj wrote:
Germs don't have feet, they will not travel.
Even before the "pandemic" I was aware of hidden germs. I use my pinky finger as that is a finger less likely to touch my eye, nose or mouth. Leaving the bathroom I never touch the door. I wait for a sucker to open it for me, or use my foot if the door opens out, or use my used paper towel to touch the handle, then toss the paper towel (the though of someones poo on the handle is my reason).

On general doors I touch the lower part of the handle, you can typically see a lot of wear on the top as everyone touches there, but the bottom is like new, so would have been touched less.

Door knobs that turn just have to be grabbed.

Pick your politician, Trump or Nancy, both of them are on HCQ, that is both the cure and the vax, but has to be taken with Zinc (which is really what does the job). Take your vitamins and take a multi-mineral for good measure. Green Tea is also beneficial for helping the body fight off viruses.

Flu shots will make you more vulnerable, so take extra caution if you fall into this.

Alcohol sanitizer really does kill most germs within 20-30 seconds. Keep that with you instead of a clunky piece of metal, that will be infected on one end anyway...

+1

Our immune systems depend on low level exposure to viruses in order to build up immunity. Help your immune system with proper nutritional supplements (as mentioned above), and be smart but not paranoid. I am actually worried this winter will be a severe cold & flu season because we quarantined healthy people and did not allow them to spread low level viruses over the summer - like normal. We skipped the opportunity to build up immunity during the months when Vitamin D was high, and that will probably bite us in the butt this winter.

As for the OP's inquiry... It seems to me this device is more about virtue signalling than it is about preventing the spread of germs. "I care so much about you that I am using this tool to prevent the spread of my germs, you should do the same for me."

I ran across the hook while looking at masks. The mask info says that it will not stop viruses. Thats like a mosquito and a chain link fence. I can understand the virtue signaling idea but I think its far more likely to be because people are scared for themselves and not worried about others. I haven’t done anything different and I never wear a mask and I’m not worried. Ive talked to HD, lowes, Academy, Grocery stores, Walmart, local hardware employees, the trash dump, feed store and the lady at the liquor store and have had two people know of someone who died . The lady at the liq store said an 82 yr old died at a local hospice and the guy at Academy said it was a relative of a friend of a friend . A friend of 30 years daughter works in a funeral home and said ALL the deaths were listed as cv. How could that be? Id say the cv is true just as the common cold is but probably actually accounts for an extremely small number of deaths. Im sorry to say that I believe just about nothing that msm brings us and that does include fox Its an extremely bad development in our country for all of us that 6 entities control 95 percent of the content. A free country needs unbiased information for the good of everyone. What did Eisenhower say?
So the hook was surprising and interesting but Im not getting one.

[Grit_dog]

Doesn't work well anymore since most people are over the Rona scare, but a few months ago, you'd be surprised how a couple well placed deep coughs or a loud sneeze would clear out a grocery aisle!

[Grit_dog]

Nothing funner than messing with a germaphobe!
Well there's a few, but it's right up there!

[Eric_Lisa]

mr_andyj wrote:
Germs don't have feet, they will not travel.
Even before the "pandemic" I was aware of hidden germs. I use my pinky finger as that is a finger less likely to touch my eye, nose or mouth. Leaving the bathroom I never touch the door. I wait for a sucker to open it for me, or use my foot if the door opens out, or use my used paper towel to touch the handle, then toss the paper towel (the though of someones poo on the handle is my reason).

On general doors I touch the lower part of the handle, you can typically see a lot of wear on the top as everyone touches there, but the bottom is like new, so would have been touched less.

Door knobs that turn just have to be grabbed.

Pick your politician, Trump or Nancy, both of them are on HCQ, that is both the cure and the vax, but has to be taken with Zinc (which is really what does the job). Take your vitamins and take a multi-mineral for good measure. Green Tea is also beneficial for helping the body fight off viruses.

Flu shots will make you more vulnerable, so take extra caution if you fall into this.

Alcohol sanitizer really does kill most germs within 20-30 seconds. Keep that with you instead of a clunky piece of metal, that will be infected on one end anyway...

+1

Our immune systems depend on low level exposure to viruses in order to build up immunity. Help your immune system with proper nutritional supplements (as mentioned above), and be smart but not paranoid. I am actually worried this winter will be a severe cold & flu season because we quarantined healthy people and did not allow them to spread low level viruses over the summer - like normal. We skipped the opportunity to build up immunity during the months when Vitamin D was high, and that will probably bite us in the butt this winter.

As for the OP's inquiry... It seems to me this device is more about virtue signalling than it is about preventing the spread of germs. "I care so much about you that I am using this tool to prevent the spread of my germs, you should do the same for me."

[cummins2014]

fj12ryder wrote:

cummins2014 wrote:

pitch wrote:
I think they are kind of silly looking. BUT, I am brought back to a day sitting in line at the ATM. Woman ahead of me pulls up puts her card in.then starts rooting around knuckle deep in her nose. pulls it out inspects and the dives back in for another go.
I went to another machine and payed their fee.

What if you were a few cars back ,and didn't see this, you will never escape what goes on before you get there . That one was just one you got to see, you missed the other thousands . 🙂

And yet, here you are, still alive and kicking. Much ado about nothing.

I would agree to a point, but there is nothing wrong with avoiding some things, never been crazy about grabbing public bathroom doors , but have, but here I am at 73.