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Packrat damage- even worth fixing?

jmkjmk
Explorer
Explorer
Hi there ๐Ÿ™‚ We have a 2005 Frontier Explorer (28') that we just purchased in the summer of last year. We own mountain property a few hours outside of Denver. Anyway- to the issue. It *was* a beautiful trailer. We went up to check on the property and trailers and found a jaw dropping (in my opinion!) scene- a packrat (or several?) had somehow made it's way in (I still don't know how- it's SO sealed up!) and literally damaged everything. Electrical, trim around most cabinets/counters, blinds, plumbing hoses, and pooped/peed on EVERY solid surface imaginable (did you know their pee is pretty much the consistency of tree sap? holy cow.). I'm attaching pictures for your viewing displeasure- what on earth do we do? Is it even worth cleaning up (we cleaned for a few hours, but dang- it's so bad) and repairing all the wood/electrical/plumbing? Where would we even start? I'm heartbroken- it was such a nice trailer!

Thank you!!



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CavemanCharlie
Explorer III
Explorer III
jmkjmk wrote:
(I'm a she ๐Ÿ™‚ ), and yea- I did make a half joke to my dad when we were up there to just throw his cigarette in there, but I was so freaked out! I think we'll have it towed somewhere (of course it's in the middle of nowhere at pristine camping land!), professionally cleaned and then sold 'as is'- with the damage. Fortunately or unfortunately, the land (and campers on it) are in the process of being sold, at least we're trying to sell the property, so we'll just have to take the camper off the price and try to get back a little bit if at all possible. Thank you so much for all the feedback, I really do appreciate it.

Aww.. when it was "new" ๐Ÿ˜ž


Sorry for your loss. You look so happy in the photo. I know you must be heartbroken.


It will all work out.

Have a nice Day

VAfan
Explorer
Explorer
Wow....sorry you had have this to deal with...I know it's frustrating.

I had field mice party for a few winter months in my 2006 trailer. Nothing compared to what you have but not a pleasant thing to deal with. I vacuumed with a Hepa filter on my shop vac., sprayed a disinfectant used in hospitals call Shockwave on obvious places where they had been and cleaned the carpet/sofa/etc.

If the loss is "no big deal" sell it for salvage...if you have time I'm thinking you can clean/fix.

mlts22
Explorer
Explorer
I think that is probably the best solution. I would have put a mask and suit on, pulled out all the appliances that were not fouled, then get the husk hauled off for its scrap value.

jmkjmk
Explorer
Explorer
(I'm a she ๐Ÿ™‚ ), and yea- I did make a half joke to my dad when we were up there to just throw his cigarette in there, but I was so freaked out! I think we'll have it towed somewhere (of course it's in the middle of nowhere at pristine camping land!), professionally cleaned and then sold 'as is'- with the damage. Fortunately or unfortunately, the land (and campers on it) are in the process of being sold, at least we're trying to sell the property, so we'll just have to take the camper off the price and try to get back a little bit if at all possible. Thank you so much for all the feedback, I really do appreciate it.

Aww.. when it was "new" ๐Ÿ˜ž

hawkeye-08
Explorer III
Explorer III
CavemanCharlie wrote:
pappcam wrote:
I think a pile of oily rags and a match would fix that up...

Seriously, if that was mine I'd total it and never set foot in it again.


I realize you are suggesting he total it. I hope you aren't serious about your suggestion that he commit arson. (And, really, you could get in a lot of trouble around here just for suggesting it)


He has no insurance. Burning some trash is certainly not arson, even if he needed a permit to burn it and did not obtain one, it would not be arson.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Arson
Arson

CavemanCharlie
Explorer III
Explorer III
pappcam wrote:
I think a pile of oily rags and a match would fix that up...

Seriously, if that was mine I'd total it and never set foot in it again.


I realize you are suggesting he total it. I hope you aren't serious about your suggestion that he commit arson. (And, really, you could get in a lot of trouble around here just for suggesting it)

JAXFL
Explorer
Explorer
pappcam wrote:
I think a pile of oily rags and a match would fix that up...

Seriously, if that was mine I'd total it and never set foot in it again.


For me....X 200%

Now the DW on the hand would want to try and do it.... I wish her luck and would buy her a good life insurance policy as that is going to killer sooner or later.
Happy Trails
JAXFL
2008 3100LTD Sun Seeker
2008 Chevy Colorado Z71 4x4 Auto Toad

hawkeye-08
Explorer III
Explorer III
I've always been told they can smell food and if they think there is food in the trailer, they will find a way in given enough time. Lots of cleaning and fixing, your choice what you want to do.. I would likely start cleaning and other than my time and cleaning supplies, try to limit any expenses until I knew if I could ever sleep in it..

pappcam
Explorer
Explorer
I think a pile of oily rags and a match would fix that up...

Seriously, if that was mine I'd total it and never set foot in it again.
2023 Grand Design Imagine 2970RL
2011 F150 XLT 5.0

boostedone
Explorer
Explorer
westernrvparkowner wrote:
If you only have $6000 invested in it, take a vacuum to it along with a bunch of rags and some heavy duty cleaning solution and do the best you can. Then sell the thing "as is, where is" for a couple of thousand and be sure to disclose the damage. That will mitigate your losses and it will only be a three or four thousand dollar lesson. I wouldn't get involved in repairing all the damage because even if you could, at night, as you are trying to go to sleep, you will never get the thought of those pack rats completely out of your mind.


Thats pretty much what I would do unless you have alot of time on your hands, and think this type of work will be fun, or looking at it as a hobby.

I'm a pretty handy guy, I rarely back down from a rebuild challenge. However my last camper was structurally really good, looked decent on the outside, but it had a little water damage where the front met up with the roof, and in the shower where the wood was simply not protected from the shower. I rebuilt the bathroom(in the rear) and gradually worked my way to the front. Replaced counter tops, blinds, wall paper, updated the stove, microwave, little fittings here and there, new A/C panel, etc.

Well, getting to the water damage in the front required disassembling the cabinets. When they build these things they staple all the stuff together, its not meant to be disassembled. Much of the trim and stuff is made by the RV company for the run. Once I had my bedroom gutted, I looked at what I had, and what it was worth(about 5000-5500 here in good shape, to the right buyer on the right day). I considered what it was going to take in effort to reconstruct the cabinets, and replace all this RV style trim with RV style trim instead of it looking like I went to Home Depot. I said "screw it", and threw it up on Craigslist and took 2000 for it as is, and didn't look back. Did I lose 3-3.5K? Maybe. On the other hand at $2000 the phone was ringing off the hook and it sold in 2 days. The first buyer that came didnt even hesitate because he heard my phone ringing every 10 minutes. At $5500 fixed up I probably would have gotten a call every day or two, and hopefully after a few weeks it would sell. And I didn't lose another month or two of my life doing work that I do not particularly enjoy.

myredracer
Explorer II
Explorer II
That's so awful to have happen. As bad as it may seem, I would have a go at trying to clean it up and rebuilding it. The only alternative would be to dispose of it and buy a new TT. If in a remote area, you could remove all the damaged stuff and burn what you can, then tow it home. Once cleaned up and stripped out, you'll have a better idea whether or not it's salvageable.

Rats (and other rodents) can directly and indirectly transmit a number of diseases. CDC has this list.

CDC has this info. on cleaning up rat droppings and urine. cleaning up and and also this.

Here is some info. on cleaning up droppings and it says not to use bleach. http://www.attic-rat.com/decontamination.html

Of note is that they say not to use a vaccuum or broom to clean up and it can cause viruses to go into the air. Hantavirus is rare and is not carried by all rodents. But you just don't know what you are dealing with and should take all precautions. Do some googling as there is tons of info. on the 'net.

If you have sheet flooring throughout, that will have prevented urine from getting into the subfloor, except for possibly where there are penetrations for plumbing.

Next time, the thing to do is to use something to keep them away and/or poison or traps. The only problem with poison is that the rodent could die inside, and that could happen in an inaccessible cavity.

What I learned once about rats when I was building a new house, is that even if a structure is sealed up with plywood and lumber and there are no cracks, they will gnaw an access hole and if you nail lumber over the hole, they will gnaw through it again. I came across a rat in the basement of this house during construction and I grabbed a big cardboard box on the ground and was going to try and throw it over the rat, except it stood up on it's hind legs and let a loud blood curdling hiss. Scared the poop out of me. Got some rat poison after that.

olfarmer
Explorer II
Explorer II
So sorry to see what happened to your trailer. As far as insurance goes, I'm not sure it would be covered. I had our boat parked in my yard with a cover on it and some raccoons got in and chewed holes in the seat upholstery, it was insured so I called my company and they sent out an adjuster, she said that 'coons were considered vermin and vermin damage was not covered! I'm sure that the pack rats are considered vermin.
I think you could clean it up and repair the damage but it would be a lot of work and it is up to you whether it is worth it. If you fix it or replace it, you still have to prevent it from happening again!
Best wishes in what you do.
Ed & Ruby & the 2 cats
2001 Winnebago Brave 30W
7.4 gas Work Horse Chassis
99 Jeep Grand Cherokee

D_E_Bishop
Explorer
Explorer
Not to be a spoiler and bring up another negative thing, but, if PR are in there field mice are too, both can and do carry Hanta Virus which can be transmitted by breathing in the dust from having to clean up.

Be careful and check with the vector control in your area.

Sorry, didn't head page two.
"I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake. The great affair is to go". R. L. Stevenson

David Bishop
2002 Winnebago Adventurer 32V
2009 GMC Canyon
Roadmaster 5000
BrakeBuddy Classic II

CavemanCharlie
Explorer III
Explorer III
6000 dollars is a lot of money to me. But, that is going to take a lot of work!! Take care, use safety equipment, start slowly, and be prepared for a long haul.

I mean you have to be able to remove some of the equipment, cabinets, and other things. Remember, there will be droppings and urine in places you can't see or easily access. Basically, you need to tear a lot of it down to get to every nook and cranny place.

It will be a lot of work. But, anything cab be done if you work at it hard enough, and you are able. It's all up to you .

Sorry for your problems.