Weights

[JohnG3]

Have a 2010 Ford F250 crew cab 4x4 super duty diesel. Ford data shows 15300 pounds maximum towing weight. We tow a 2008 Montana 3485SA fifth wheel trailer. The shipping weight listed in the trailer is 12,000 lbs. The GVWR is 15250. We stopped at a CAT Scales on the way home from a trip a couple days ago to weigh the rigs. CAT scales weight each axle at the same time.

The scale printout is:

Steering axle: 5200 lbs.
Drive axle: 5860 lbs.
Trailer axles: 10340 lbs.
Total: 21400 lbs.

What's the opinion of the weight experts? The trailer was loaded with the usual stuff for a trip. The only variable is the food in the refrigerator.

[IdaD]

rhagfo wrote:

lawnspecialties wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
2010 F250 GVWR is 10,000#

Scaled weight.....11,060 (1,060# over GVWR)

GCWR.....23,000# (scaled 21,400)...so under by 1,600#

FAWR......6000 (scaled 5200).......so under by 800#
RAWR......6100 (scaled 5860).......so under by 240#

What is Load rating on rear tires?


Otherwise......
Under on axle ratings so I stamp it good to go (provided tires are NOT over!)

Exactly. Check those tires and roll on.

X3

Many would say not enough truck, then turn around an suggest at least a F350 SRW. :h

While escenally the same as the F350 SRW, the main difference is the tax and registering 10,000# class 2 limit.

The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who get misled into trading in a 250 for a SRW 350. In reality there are three classes of trucks that most consumers buy:

Half ton
SRW heavy duty
DRW heavy duty

And then obviously above that you get into MDTs.

[JIMNLIN]

4Kellys wrote:
Why would you be ok with being 1000 over your GVWR, I certainly wouldn't be!

The truck maker may choose any gvwr up to and including the sum of the FAWR/RAWR. No one knows why they choose those numbers.

Ford gives us some wonderful specs from their Fleet Ford website. If the F250 has the heavy service package option then the spring pack/wheels and tires are the same.

On every page where Ford list all the trucks weight rating Ford says; (snip)

#4) Gross Axle Weight Rating is determined by the rated capacity of the minimum component of the axle system (axle, computer-selected springs, wheels, tires) of a specific vehicle. Front and rear GAWRs will, in all cases, sum to a number equal to or greater than the GVWR for the particular vehicle. (snip)

[JohnG3]

Thanks all for the replies. Just weighed the drive axle at the land fill at 3600 pounds. Not sure how accurate that weight is. Also tires are Michelin E rated on all eight tires.

[rhagfo]

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
All the weights are under the ratings, except the GVWR of the truck.

We know that both F250's and F350SRW's use the same axles and brakes and have the same braking ability.

The F250's GVWR is de-rated on paper to 10,000 lbs for registration reasons, whereas the F350SRW's max GVWR is 11,500 lbs.

So far as ability to stop the weight the truck is carrying, the F250 is good up to the max GVWR of the F350SRW.

So, this combination is A-OK, in my opinion.

While it the the owners choice, X2 SoCalDesertRider, statement. I am in the same boat over GVWR, and well within axle ratings and very well within tire ratings.
We travel a lot of narrow twisty tow lane roads and have no issues with staying with traffic at the sped limit or slightly better and driving twisty roads the true test of how it all works.
Interstates are a dream!!!!

[SoCalDesertRid1]

All the weights are under the ratings, except the GVWR of the truck.

We know that both F250's and F350SRW's use the same axles and brakes and have the same braking ability.

The F250's GVWR is de-rated on paper to 10,000 lbs for registration reasons, whereas the F350SRW's max GVWR is 11,500 lbs.

So far as ability to stop the weight the truck is carrying, the F250 is good up to the max GVWR of the F350SRW.

So, this combination is A-OK, in my opinion.

[4Kellys]

Why would you be ok with being 1000 over your GVWR, I certainly wouldn't be!

[rhagfo]

lawnspecialties wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
2010 F250 GVWR is 10,000#

Scaled weight.....11,060 (1,060# over GVWR)

GCWR.....23,000# (scaled 21,400)...so under by 1,600#

FAWR......6000 (scaled 5200).......so under by 800#
RAWR......6100 (scaled 5860).......so under by 240#

What is Load rating on rear tires?


Otherwise......
Under on axle ratings so I stamp it good to go (provided tires are NOT over!)

Exactly. Check those tires and roll on.

X3

Many would say not enough truck, then turn around an suggest at least a F350 SRW. :h

While escenally the same as the F350 SRW, the main difference is the tax and registering 10,000# class 2 limit.

[lawnspecialties]

Old-Biscuit wrote:
2010 F250 GVWR is 10,000#

Scaled weight.....11,060 (1,060# over GVWR)

GCWR.....23,000# (scaled 21,400)...so under by 1,600#

FAWR......6000 (scaled 5200).......so under by 800#
RAWR......6100 (scaled 5860).......so under by 240#

What is Load rating on rear tires?


Otherwise......
Under on axle ratings so I stamp it good to go (provided tires are NOT over!)

Exactly. Check those tires and roll on.

[MFL]

You are under the numbers that matter most. You are the driver. If it handles well, you are good. If the trucks rear needs leveling, you can easily add rear suspension enhancement.

Jerry

[JIMNLIN]

Great numbers and well within axle/tire load numbers for a safe combo. Truck/trailer scaled axle load numbers tells the operator all he needs to know.

[donn0128]

Done it, wont do it again. You really need more truck.

[IdaD]

JohnG3 wrote:
Have a 2010 Ford F250 crew cab 4x4 super duty diesel. Ford data shows 15300 pounds maximum towing weight. We tow a 2008 Montana 3485SA fifth wheel trailer. The shipping weight listed in the trailer is 12,000 lbs. The GVWR is 15250. We stopped at a CAT Scales on the way home from a trip a couple days ago to weigh the rigs. CAT scales weight each axle at the same time.

The scale printout is:

Steering axle: 5200 lbs.
Drive axle: 5860 lbs.
Trailer axles: 10340 lbs.
Total: 21400 lbs.

What's the opinion of the weight experts? The trailer was loaded with the usual stuff for a trip. The only variable is the food in the refrigerator.

Check your RAWR and tire rating to be sure but assuming those are up to snuff I think you're fine at those weights. I imagine your RAWR is well over 6000 lbs.

Edit - apparently it's 6100 lbs so not well over 6000, but still comfortably over the scaled weight.

[Moderator]

Moved from ATC

[Old-Biscuit]

2010 F250 GVWR is 10,000#

Scaled weight.....11,060 (1,060# over GVWR)

GCWR.....23,000# (scaled 21,400)...so under by 1,600#

FAWR......6000 (scaled 5200).......so under by 800#
RAWR......6100 (scaled 5860).......so under by 240#

What is Load rating on rear tires?


Otherwise......
Under on axle ratings so I stamp it good to go (provided tires are NOT over!)