Honda's new EU2200i model...

[robert_at_honda]

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I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
Robert@Honda

[burningman]

I have tried paralleling combos of EU1000, EU2000 and EU3000 Hondas and in actual practice they all play well together. And no, the smaller one doesn’t go into overload as soon as a big load is turned on. I can’t imagine any problem running a 2000 with a 2200.
I’m pretty sure you can even parallel an EU with a pure sine wave inverter but I haven’t (yet) tried it. As many - but maybe not all - of you know, when paralleling these things the 120VAC outputs of each are simply connected directly together. There’s no other magic synching signal, the parallel operation ports are only connected directly to the regular 120VAC outlets. An EU just synchs up to another 120VAC source, it doesn’t necessarily have to originate from another Honda. 60hz 120VAC is 60hz 120VAC.

I might try that out because that might be a good way to run an A/C off a single EU2000.
I’d like to try running a battery charger off the Honda to top off a pair of deep-cycles, which are paralleled with the Honda to provide the extra power to start the A/C. The EU2000 can usually handle an A/C running, just not the compressor start-up.

[ktmrfs]

Bobbo wrote:
I wonder if a new EU2200i can be paralleled with the old EU2000i.

the data sheet I saw said YES. the have two models, just like the existing 2000 and either can be paralled with it'x complement, 2000 0r 2200

[Bobbo]

I wonder if a new EU2200i can be paralleled with the old EU2000i.

[wnjj]

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[SidecarFlip]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
The best gets better but predictably there will always be those who whine about price. Regardless, Honda will no doubt sell every new EU2200i produced to a willing market looking for a quality genset that maintained properly will reliably serve it's purpose for thousands of hours.

Very similar to new customers of mine. "Then there is WOOT from Amazon and their 50% off sale. Twenty Four Dollars for a seven dollar duplex electrical receptacle"

Value is value. Differeing strokes and all that.

STYLE. Oh yeah -- look at DYSON vacuum cleaners. Appliances right out of the movie "Alien"

I thank my lucky stars I can choose among brands to satisfy my quirky nature.

Don't use that Dyson for immoral purposes. I hear they have a fan blade in the nozzle...........:B

[MEXICOWANDERER]

The best gets better but predictably there will always be those who whine about price. Regardless, Honda will no doubt sell every new EU2200i produced to a willing market looking for a quality genset that maintained properly will reliably serve it's purpose for thousands of hours.

Very similar to new customers of mine. "Then there is WOOT from Amazon and their 50% off sale. Twenty Four Dollars for a seven dollar duplex electrical receptacle"

Value is value. Differeing strokes and all that.

STYLE. Oh yeah -- look at DYSON vacuum cleaners. Appliances right out of the movie "Alien"

I thank my lucky stars I can choose among brands to satisfy my quirky nature.

[SidecarFlip]

3oaks wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I see they are still proud price wise....$$1,149.95 MSRP. 2 Champs or 3 Preds.. Ouch.

The best gets better but predictably there will always be those who whine about price. :R Regardless, Honda will no doubt sell every new EU2200i produced to a willing market looking for a quality genset that maintained properly will reliably serve it's purpose for thousands of hours. :B

I don't whine bud. Just stating the price versus the competition. If you had bothered to read my comment, you'll see I own a couple Honda products. Have no issue with a Honda product. I have an issue with the price versus the competition.

It's not a genset anyway. A genset is a stationary or wheeled generator for emergency or standby power generation. It is...a portable recreational generator for ocassional use.

You say you don't "whine", but your opening remark sure is sarcastic. :R

I see they are still proud price wise....$$1,149.95 MSRP. 2 Champs or 3 Preds.. Ouch.

The one thing I have never liked about the Honda (or the Yamaha or the Pred or any of the smaller units) except the Champ is the shape I want a unit that is box shaped so it's easy to store, the primary reason I bought the Champ over the others. Price was my last consideration.

Don't get me wrong, I like Honda's I have a couple of their quads and a tiller but the genny's, not for me. With portable genny's, I like square and boxy, not swoopy. The 3K watt open cradle is one I like but I don't need that much output. I had Yamaha 2800I for about 12 years but sold it. Was time. Electronics, like bread, gets stale after a time...lol



How is that post sarcastic? Please tell me. Just stating the facts, nothing more.

If you find that to be sarcastic, you must live in a glass house...

[SidecarFlip]

Boon Docker wrote:

pnichols wrote:


Was "runs 3 days" (72 continuous hours) a misprint? If it's not a misprint, then Good Grief ... what wattage is your Champ and what size is the built-in gas tank feeding it?

Quote from SidecarFlip:

I use my Champ to recharge the house battery bank about 3 hours a day.

That is 9 hours in 3 days.

...and in economy mode, I usually have gas left over..

[3oaks]

SidecarFlip wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I see they are still proud price wise....$$1,149.95 MSRP. 2 Champs or 3 Preds.. Ouch.

The best gets better but predictably there will always be those who whine about price. :R Regardless, Honda will no doubt sell every new EU2200i produced to a willing market looking for a quality genset that maintained properly will reliably serve it's purpose for thousands of hours. :B

I don't whine bud. Just stating the price versus the competition. If you had bothered to read my comment, you'll see I own a couple Honda products. Have no issue with a Honda product. I have an issue with the price versus the competition.

It's not a genset anyway. A genset is a stationary or wheeled generator for emergency or standby power generation. It is...a portable recreational generator for ocassional use.

You say you don't "whine", but your opening remark sure is sarcastic. :R

[Boon_Docker]

pnichols wrote:


Was "runs 3 days" (72 continuous hours) a misprint? If it's not a misprint, then Good Grief ... what wattage is your Champ and what size is the built-in gas tank feeding it?

Quote from SidecarFlip:

I use my Champ to recharge the house battery bank about 3 hours a day.

That is 9 hours in 3 days.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

A question for Robert, if I may...

These motors are overhead cam, meaning they have a camshaft timing belt.

If a belt should break...

Is this an interference grade motor...?

Meaning valves that remain open are subject to collision with a piston

This is not an opinion or a critique -- merely a question to satisfy my curiosity.

[pnichols]

SidecarFlip wrote:
My champ runs 3 days no problem on one tank of regular unleaded. More than adequate for my use. It's dimunitive size makes it ideal for my use (recreational) but it's also very limited in output. I have a 27KW diesel powered stationary unit that backs up the farm during power outages. The tiny Champ stays in the RV, where it is right now actually, sleeping with everything else.

Was "runs 3 days" (72 continuous hours) a misprint? If it's not a misprint, then Good Grief ... what wattage is your Champ and what size is the built-in gas tank feeding it?

Your use of the Champ is very similar to our use of my little 25-30 year old Honda EX650 suitcase generator. It stays stored away in an RV compartment with other stuff packed all around it - for use as a battery charging backup to our built-in Onan. Our little Honda is way too heavy for it's wattage, at 51 lbs.. However, what I get for all that weight is a metal intensive (including the case) generator that still starts right up after 25-30 years and a generator that is one of the quietest in the world - a low humming sound of 54 dB regardless of the load on it.

But your Champ may have me beat on run-time ... our little EX650 will only go 5-6 hours off it's 0.5 gal built-in fuel tank.

[D_E_Bishop]

I bought a reconditioned Champion because of the price, not because it was anything else. I needed a generator for an airless sprayer to paint the cabin which is 6 miles off the pavement. My Onan serves me well in most circumstances and will run the MV and the AC at the same time. Yes, I did try it.

So, I did have a problem with the Onan awhile back and just had it fixed, in talking to the repair guy, his opinion is Honda's first in quality and lower repair costs, Champion's, a distant second. Wouldn't talk about any of the others. For RV stationary units, Onan was his top.

Just the opinion of a full time generator specialist who happens to use a generator at off road races and has to repair them.

[SoundGuy]

pnichols wrote:
That 2200i spec for it's noise at full power (62 dB) - an increase over that for the 2000i - is NOT insignificant!

However, while the popular (because of price) Champ "2000 watt" genset is powered by an 80 cc engine the new Honda EU2200i is running a significantly larger 121 cc engine ... that suggests to me that under the same load the Honda will much more easily handle the load and is less likely to run up in speed to meet that load, meaning it wouldn't necessarily be any noisier, may perhaps be even quieter than the previous EU2000i under the same load.

Regarding physical shape another poster said he preferred the cube shape of the Champ - fair enough, but I prefer the suitcase shape of the Honda EU2000i (and now the EU2200i) as it allowed me to build an Quiet Box (mucho pics & videos) that was really effective in reducing noise, even with the genset running full tilt, to where it barely could be heard at all from 20' away. :B Incorrectly, many think that muting genset noise is as simple as sticking it in an insulated box of some sort but that's certainly not true of the Honda inverter series where the key is to separate cool incoming air from both hot exhaust gases and hot engine air, each of which also must be kept separate from the other. A well designed quite box does just that, most DIYs on YouTube, etc do not. 😉

Honda did keep it's weight about the same as the 2000i, however ... which is commendable.

I'd agree, having owned 2 Honda EU2000i gensets 50 lbs is about as much as I'd ever want to lift in & out of my truck bed and while the much lighter 1000 watt is appealing in that regard any 2K genset is so much versatile. My previous experience taught me that for the way we camp I don't really need a genset and would probably be better off investing in more battery reserve. That said though, losing power here at the house a few times this year I am once again thinking maybe one of these new EU2200i gensets would be just the ticket for powering key appliances in the house - the fridge & the furnace - for however long power may be out. Tempting. 😉

[SidecarFlip]

Atlee wrote:
Can you get an external extended run gas tank for the Champion generators? I twin my current 2 Hondas and hook them to my extended run tank and am able to run them at full power for about 8 hours at a time.

I need this type of run time since in early September football games, we need AC.

But even in late October, when we only need one generator going at a time, I like the extended run tank. Many fewer times needed to fill up the tank.

SidecarFlip wrote:
I see they are still proud price wise....$$1,149.95 MSRP. 2 Champs or 3 Preds.. Ouch.

The one thing I have never liked about the Honda (or the Yamaha or the Pred or any of the smaller units) except the Champ is the shape I want a unit that is box shaped so it's easy to store, the primary reason I bought the Champ over the others. Price was my last consideration.

Don't get me wrong, I like Honda's I have a couple of their quads and a tiller but the genny's, not for me. With portable genny's, I like square and boxy, not swoopy. The 3K watt open cradle is one I like but I don't need that much output. I had Yamaha 2800I for about 12 years but sold it. Was time. Electronics, like bread, gets stale after a time...lol

Frankly, if I wanted to install an 'extended run tank' I would. Just a matter of adding a vacuum fuel pump and using the breather hose (with a Tee) to provide the pump impulse, no big deal and the pumps are available everywhere, online and at a lawnmower shop for about 15 bucks, plus there is plenty of room inside the case to mount one and the QD fittings to use a remote tank but...

I don'r want one, nor do I need one. I use my Champ to recharge the house battery bank about 3 hours a day. That is it and I don't have ac in my RV, I don't like ac, don't have it in my home either (except in the bedroom and it gets turned off when we sleep). I certainly don't go to football games especially with the current anti American attitude of the players, not that I would pay what I consider a stupid price to watch professional actors toss a football, I can watch on TV for free...

Neither here nor there. What is, is not everyone employs their genny's for the same uses. If they did, there would not be the variety available that there is.

My champ runs 3 days no problem on one tank of regular unleaded. More than adequate for my use. It's dimunitive size makes it ideal for my use (recreational) but it's also very limited in output. I have a 27KW diesel powered stationary unit that backs up the farm during power outages. The tiny Champ stays in the RV, where it is right now actually, sleeping with everything else.

Like I said earlier on, I bought it primarily for it's box like shape, easy to store in the RV, like a box of 'stuff' Fits nicely in a compartment and don't move around plus I can put stuff around it and on top of it. The double fuel shutoff (carb feed and gas tank) make it fume free in storage. All pluses in my situation but yours may be different.

I didn't post on this thread to demean the Honda and promote the Champ, on the contrary, the Champ ticks all my boxes, the Honda don't so I have the Champ instead.

I'll leave it at that.