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Blowing out water lines mistake ??

cdru
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Blew out the water lines, opened all the faucets, etc. However, when I closed the inlet and outlet valves on the hot water heater I forgot to open the center valve. Is that going to be a problem, or did all the water get out anyway? Thanks
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brockwellw
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Here's antoher tip. Get a pice of 1/2 inch clear tubing and keep it rolled up. When you drain your hot water tank insert in the drain plug hole and start a siphon. This will help get any sediment out of the tank as well get the water below the drain hole.
If you are putting in the pink stuff don't forget to open and close quickly the valves to and from the water heater to get traped water in the valve out to prevent the vales from freezing and cracking.

JJBIRISH
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Bumpyroad wrote:
JJBIRISH wrote:


While pumping the pink through it doesnโ€™t mix with the water much at allโ€ฆ it pushes the water through and clear runs out the tap until the pink arrivesโ€ฆ the percentage of dilution is miniscule and not much of a problemโ€ฆ


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I added another ounce of water to my witches brew making it 2 oz. water to 4 oz AF and this am it was just slush. so a "miniscule" dilution doesn't scare me a bit.
bumpy




Good to hearโ€ฆ thanksโ€ฆ

Yaโ€ฆ even if you got it cold enough to freeze solid one of the things the AF does is to reduce the expansion rate, and I believe the -100 AF eliminates expansion all togetherโ€ฆ

I tried to blow out the lines one time then waited a couple of days to blow it out again and was amazed by how much water came out the second timeโ€ฆ

Now I am not talking enough to boil your eggs but enough to fill a fitting or two and more than enough to cause problems if settled in the right spotโ€ฆ

Air only works most of the time, but you never know until after the one time it donโ€™tโ€ฆ but then with human nature being what it is, how many are going to come back and admit itโ€ฆ only a few but a very fewโ€ฆ

This is no different than the post a few weeks ago where someoneโ€™s roof was permanently bowed down and ruined due to heavy snow loadโ€ฆ the many that always preach that it is never a problem and to not worry about it and use as an example and proof that the dealers never clean the snow load offโ€ฆ they all somehow missed that threadโ€ฆ
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Bumpyroad
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JJBIRISH wrote:


While pumping the pink through it doesnโ€™t mix with the water much at allโ€ฆ it pushes the water through and clear runs out the tap until the pink arrivesโ€ฆ the percentage of dilution is miniscule and not much of a problemโ€ฆ


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I added another ounce of water to my witches brew making it 2 oz. water to 4 oz AF and this am it was just slush. so a "miniscule" dilution doesn't scare me a bit.
bumpy

JJBIRISH
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Using air will never remove all the water outโ€ฆ whatโ€™s left will settle and pool and freezeโ€ฆ leaving the valve open to mitigate problems would work if water only froze along the path of least resistanceโ€ฆ it donโ€™t it expands in all directionsโ€ฆ

The low point drains are only the low point if time is devoted to leveling the unit firstโ€ฆ front to back/side to sideโ€ฆ then only maybeโ€ฆ

Most compressors people use for this have the pressure required for a short time, but not the volume of air needed to blow the lines outโ€ฆ it is the volume of air at pressure that moves the residual water along the lines to the faucetsโ€ฆ that volume of air needs to be maintained for some time to declare the lines dryโ€ฆ

While pumping the pink through it doesnโ€™t mix with the water much at allโ€ฆ it pushes the water through and clear runs out the tap until the pink arrivesโ€ฆ the percentage of dilution is miniscule and not much of a problemโ€ฆ

The only best method is to blow the lines out, then flood with the pink stuffโ€ฆ if you donโ€™t like the pink setting in thereโ€ฆ blow it out then toโ€ฆ the traps are then filled with the pink stuff from the pipes, and residual left in the pipes is AF and you really have nothing to worry aboutโ€ฆ we are only talking about a few moments more time and a few dollars to be sure instead of luckyโ€ฆ

I have repaired or helped repair many broken lines winterized with air only and never one had to do one with AFโ€ฆ

Also every fall the air only proponents make recommendations for air only, and every spring we read the broken or leaking waterline postโ€ฆ I guess there is no correlation there thoughโ€ฆ

Maybe the air only proponents that say done properly could expand on what properly means to add value to their claimsโ€ฆ they seldom doโ€ฆ



Edit:

Of the three guys I know that do literally hundreds of winterizations each for a fee, none will do them without using AF, unless a release of damage is signed firstโ€ฆ


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Uplander
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It is a "GUY" thing....don't ask for directions when lost and never read the label...just pour and go!

I'll blow out the pipes and add that $3.47 gal of pink antifreeze too....sleep well my friends! Winter is long and cold up here!!! May all be well come spring!

Happy Camping!

Bumpyroad
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well I did the first part of my experiment on diluting antifreeze. I took 4 ounces of AF and added 1 ounce of water so it was 20% water and put it in the freezer overnight. this am was not frozen solid, a little slushy as folks here have said it is supposed to do. will add another ounce of water making it 1/3 water and see what happens. So this assistant Myth Buster has completed step one and has rebutted the theory that any dilution will make it worthless.

and I think I have figured out the problem with the blue windshield wiper fluid freezing. years back I (without reading the label) grabbed a bottle of the cheap stuff on the shelf and put it in my cart. a sales clerk walked by and pointed out that there were two types and I had selected the one that had NO freeze protection, was for washing only. I checked the label and it certainly was labeled as not an antifreeze type product. so if I had used it and had a freezing problem it would be Operator Error.
I checked at walmart this am. generic was $3.50 and a PG/Ethanol mix. Prestone was $4.98 and was a PG/water mix.

bumpy

Old-Biscuit
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I have never used the 'pink' stuff or blow lines out.........
I just open low point drains, all faucets/showers (hot/cold mix) and prop toilet open.
Drain water heater and fresh water tank and run pump dry.

Haven't had a bust line/fitting etc.
Done this in UT, CO, WY, CA and AZ

Water expands when it freezes...but only busts lines etc if it doesn't have room to expand. With an 'open' system the little bit of water that might be in lines can expand without damaging anything.

This pink stuff..blow lines debate is silly.

Do what works for you and makes you comfortable......even if it isn't necessary :B
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aftermath
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Uplander wrote:
Considering the low cost for anti-freeze (about $3.47 per gal. at Walmart). I can not understand why anyone would just blow out the lines and pray they got it all out. Just a little amount of water left in the system could result in some big expenses for repairs and parts. Not worth the gamble to me.
I blow out the system, drain every tank plus the water heater (leaving the plug out) with the by-pass set, then I pump the system full of antifreeze, add some to the traps and some into all the tanks.
When spring arrives I flush out the system, run a bleach water solution through the pipes, rinse again to clear our the bleach smell and taste. No leaks, no blown out pipes, no cracked tanks....no big repair problems.....Happy, Happy, Happy!!!


I used to own a Starcraft hybrid and it was a breeze to winterize. Under the decent sized bathroom cabinet the water pump came with the auxilary hose attachment to suck the pink stuff through the lines.

I "upgraded" to an Airstream and the water pump is located in a very tight compartment that Houdini himself would be challenged to work on.
The Airstream dealer told me that they use only air and told me how to go through the system. No problems for me but, as a few have already mentioned, you have to do it right. Hey, you have to do it right if you use the pink stuff too so beware. Things can go wrong. I managed to break two, not just one, kitchen sprayers. One when I was using the pink and the second a few years later when using just air. I doubt I will break a third one. I am a slow learner obviously but I am learning none the less.
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tomman58
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As I've stated for over several years the 15 minute winterization WITH the cheap pink stuff after draining the trailer and then leaving it in Northern Michigan has never ever had bad outcomes. I invest about 3 bucks for the "pink" and it works great.
If you put the pink stuff in the drains etc then why not the whole system? Seems like you are "trusting it anyways.
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SprinklerMan
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I just blow mine out , I open every valve at the same time and fire up the compressor . Takes about 2 minutes ........... a 125 cfm diesel compressor . I have a pressure regulator set at 50 psi , but the volume works fantastic

LVJJJ
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After using the pink stuff the first year of RV'ing (1987), then tasting it on the first, second and third camping trips, I've been blowing out the lines ever since. I don't use shut off-diverting valves, I blow out the system from the drain hole of the hot water tank. Works great. My air pump has a lot of pressure.
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Bumpyroad
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Gdetrailer wrote:

The pink stuff ONLY works when it is used FULL STRENGTH.

ANY dilution by any amount of water WILL RENDER it USELESS.

Unlike what the website I referenced above says you can buy both Propylene Glycol and the Propylene Glycol/Ethanol mix in most retail stores.. Walmart has them side by side on the shelves.

Good pink stuff (propylene glycol) $11.40 a gallon

By the way, if you are buying the expensive pink stuff then you can buy a tester made for propylene glycol instead of guessing on how pink it looks..


I can assure you I will not be buying the $11.40 a gallon pink stuff. that which I use is a combination and labeled to minus 50 degrees. I figure that where I have my RV in the winter I can stand to have it diluted somewhat and still be effective.
but if there is some large conspiracy to dilute the pink stuff so it only protects to minus 40 degrees, I hope the attorney general will put together a strike force.

bumpy

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I blow out my water lines and only use the antifreeze in the traps and drains. I have never had a problem. I live in Indiana.I set my air compressor at 40 # and start at the back of the trailer and work toward the front. I drain the water heater and put it on bypass.I drain the fresh water tank. I run the pump long enough to get the water out of it. Any residual water will not expand enough to hurt anything. I have a 32 ft Holiday rambler TT.
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Gdetrailer
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Bumpyroad wrote:
Gdetrailer wrote:


Seems to me I read quite a few posts this spring and perhaps last spring also of folks who used the pink stuff WITHOUT blowing out the water first which resulted in BROKEN water lines.

The pink stuff ONLY works when it is used FULL STRENGTH.

ANY dilution by any amount of water WILL RENDER it USELESS.

The problem however with depending on the pink stuff is the manufactures CAN CHEAT and dilute it further than they should WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

I HAVE personally ran into this issue with the blue windshield washer fluid! Several winters ago, I FOUGHT with several jugs of windshield washer fluid (I bought them at the same place at the same time) which FROZE COMPLETELY SOLID IN THE LINES AND TANK. The temperatures, 20F-25F ABOVE ZERO! The blue stuff should be good WELL below that.. I basically bought blue colored water :M
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60 minutes should investigate this dilution of blue windshield washer fluid and pink RV antifreeze for this clandestine activity. I didn't happen to note a great influx of broken plumbing last winter being reported myself.

and "any dilution will render it useless". If I have some spare time to waste, I think I will do a study of various dilutions and see what happens. since the pink stuff may slush up, it will be hard to tell exactly how much "slushing up" is done per dilution however.
bumpy


Do you know what type of RV/Marine antifreeze you are buying?

Do you realize that there ARE different types of RV/marine antifreeze?

There ARE at least THREE distinct "types" of RV antifreezes.

Per HERE you have an Ethanol (alcohol) based, Propylene Glycol Based and a Propylene Glycol/Ethanol MIX based.

Unlike what the website I referenced above says you can buy both Propylene Glycol and the Propylene Glycol/Ethanol mix in most retail stores.. Walmart has them side by side on the shelves.

Good pink stuff (propylene glycol) $11.40 a gallon

HERE

Cheap pink stuff (Propylene Glycol/Ethanol (alcohol) mix) $3.47 gallon

HERE

Both of the above can provide "freeze protection" but that freeze protection listed on the bottle is ONLY GOOD if you do not dilute it any further OR the bottler does not dilute it..

Additionally the cheap pink stuff since it contains a considerable amount of Ethanol is going to be harsh to many rubber seals (toilet, faucet valves, tank valves, water pump and pressure switch, Water pressure accumulator tank with bladder if you have one, and even perhaps the water lines..

Most people are not going to pay the $12 price tag of the straight Propylene Glycol..

At $12 a gallon you are not going to want to run more than you have to through the system so most folks are going to shut off the spigots when it STARTS to turn pink which IS WELL BEFORE they get ALL the water out of the system..

By the way, if you are buying the expensive pink stuff then you can buy a tester made for propylene glycol instead of guessing on how pink it looks..