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Diesel vs gas......................

blt2ski
Moderator
Moderator
OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.



Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty
92 Navistar dump truck, 7.3L 7 sp, 4.33 gears with a Detroit no spin
2014 Chevy 1500 Dual cab 4x4
92 Red-e-haul 12K equipment trailer
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carl2591
Explorer III
Explorer III
thats a bummer dude.. what is causing the injectors to go bad.. any one at the shop have a clue? 4th time is quite a lot of injectors, how old is the truck? what year... DAMmmmmmm

Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.
Carl2591, Raleigh NC
2005 Airstream Classic 31D
2003 Ford F-250 SD, CC, 7.3L modded diesel machine
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rowekmr
Explorer
Explorer
I feel for you I replaced 8 one time at 1800 parts price and after that I am really attentive to them. I try to get fresh fuel and I use additives in each tankful for long life.

Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.
10 Lincoln MKS Ecoboost
07 Lincoln Navigator
00 Newmar Dutch Star 3851

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
spud1957 wrote:
Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.


That's crazy!!!


Maybe a really good aftermarket filter and water seperator would save you some money!
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2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

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Hannibal
Explorer
Explorer
Yeah but it tows in O/D. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Potential for expensive repairs is the biggest reason I went back to gas ten years ago. The worst thing that's happened as a result is a downshift.
2020 F250 STX CC SB 7.3L 10spd 3.55 4x4
2010 F250 XLT CC SB 5.4L 5spdTS 3.73
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spud1957
Explorer
Explorer
Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.


That's crazy!!!
2018 F350 6.7 4x4 CCSB
2022 GD Reflection 337 RLS

Tequila
Explorer
Explorer
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.

Sport45
Explorer II
Explorer II
bkirkpatrick wrote:
...THE END


Yeah, right. ๐Ÿ™‚
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'00 F250, CC SWB 4x2, V-10 3.73LS. (sold)
'83 F100 SWB 4x2, 302 AOD 3.55. (parked)
'05 GMC Envoy 4x2 4.2 3.73L.
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bkirkpatrick
Explorer
Explorer

waynec1957
Explorer
Explorer
I just finished my first year of owning my first diesel. I never thought I was going to be saving money over a gas engine when I bought it. I bought it for the power, the torque, the overall towing experience (especially the exhaust brake in the mountains), and longevity. So far it hasn't let me down. Everyone is different though. Otherwise they'd only make one kind of truck.
2013 Chevy Sliverado 2500 HD LS Crew Cab
Duramax/Allison, HD Tow Package, GCWR 24,500

2017 KZ Sportsmen S330 IK

transamz9
Explorer
Explorer
spud1957 wrote:
CAJW wrote:
I didn't find this 2013 study listed in this thread. Interesting food for thought, but glad I bought a diesel for my TC ;).

University of Michigan,
Transportation Research Institute


Pretty interesting study. I'm sure the diesel owners will chime in and dispute the results.

Also, I didn't see where the author included financing costs for each vehicle and add that into the 3 & 5 year TCO. Add that in then most of the diesel trucks would have no "financial" advantage. I highlight financial as this study is only that.


I don't think that any of us diesel heads are claiming to save money by owning one but we are saying that in the end a diesel don't cost any more than a gas but using your terms, the financial advantage in most of our cases is that we get a more capable truck for the same money. A diesel don't make sense for some but it most defiantly does for others.
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spud1957
Explorer
Explorer
CAJW wrote:
I didn't find this 2013 study listed in this thread. Interesting food for thought, but glad I bought a diesel for my TC ;).

University of Michigan,
Transportation Research Institute


Pretty interesting study. I'm sure the diesel owners will chime in and dispute the results.

Also, I didn't see where the author included financing costs for each vehicle and add that into the 3 & 5 year TCO. Add that in then most of the diesel trucks would have no "financial" advantage. I highlight financial as this study is only that.
2018 F350 6.7 4x4 CCSB
2022 GD Reflection 337 RLS

Tvov
Explorer II
Explorer II
The charts in that study are very interesting for trucks. I need to read more to figure out why the cost spread between the makes is like that.
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2021 F150 2.7
2004 21' Forest River Surveyor

CAJW
Explorer
Explorer
I didn't find this 2013 study listed in this thread. Interesting food for thought, but glad I bought a diesel for my TC ;).

University of Michigan,
Transportation Research Institute
2013 AF 996, 2013 Chevy 3500 CC,LWB,4X4, Duramax, DRW, 3.73 rear, Torklift Stableloads & Tie-downs,Fast Guns, Ride Rite Air Bags, Superhitch w/ 32" extension.Big Wigs, Front Timbrens, TST TPMS-507,CubbyCam, Trimetric. TM & SC 2030 150W + 100W suitcase

bkirkpatrick
Explorer
Explorer

trcgolf
Explorer
Explorer
looking for info on the 3500 Ram 6.4L gasser.... taking it out west and to Alaska. I know its not a diesel, but how does it compare with the 6.0L GMC's
2013 GMC 2500 HD
6.0 L Crew 4x4
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