โDec-30-2013 03:57 AM
โDec-31-2013 01:52 PM
โDec-31-2013 06:13 AM
Ridgerunner29 wrote:blt2ski wrote:
Any one recall the days that GM put 350 gas motors in reg cab twucks.....ie reg cabs were the only thing out there excepting a very few and far between crew cab. ie about 1980 or so......a BB 454 4 bbl put out a whopping 195hp, and maybe at best 330 lb ft of torque! oh baby! powerful motor it was! The std motor was a 292 I 6 with 105hp in the 25-65 series trucks.....a 250 I6 in the 1500's.......a 350 2bbl put out maybe 150 hp and 250 lb ft of torque, and the 305 was around 130 and 200 lb ft of torque.......
The Lowest HP motors in GM;s fleet now put out what, 200 hp, and probably over 200 lb ft of torque! the best is the dmax at 400/800 or so! Heck, an intro sb8 has more hp etc than a BB 454 of yor! Pulling power is NOT an issue to day folks! Payload was back then, as it is today.....
SO whomever mentioned earlier "if you have the payload for the people, cargo and hitch wt, you will pull a trailer fine"
Oh yeah, the GCWR for a 350 back then with 4.10;s was 13500. A half ton weighed about 4500 lbs, with an 8500 max trailer tow. A 2500 was around 5K lbs, tow rating 8000 lbs, a dually around 6000 lbs, and a whopping 7500 lbs tow rating. Happened just as the OP states, a half ton can tow more than a 1 ton! Been going on for many many many years with the way manfuactures rate LDT trucks.
Marty
Thank you for the history. I am simple enough to have thought these tow capacity inconsistencies is a recent problem with the pickup truck industry.
โDec-31-2013 04:50 AM
blt2ski wrote:
Any one recall the days that GM put 350 gas motors in reg cab twucks.....ie reg cabs were the only thing out there excepting a very few and far between crew cab. ie about 1980 or so......a BB 454 4 bbl put out a whopping 195hp, and maybe at best 330 lb ft of torque! oh baby! powerful motor it was! The std motor was a 292 I 6 with 105hp in the 25-65 series trucks.....a 250 I6 in the 1500's.......a 350 2bbl put out maybe 150 hp and 250 lb ft of torque, and the 305 was around 130 and 200 lb ft of torque.......
The Lowest HP motors in GM;s fleet now put out what, 200 hp, and probably over 200 lb ft of torque! the best is the dmax at 400/800 or so! Heck, an intro sb8 has more hp etc than a BB 454 of yor! Pulling power is NOT an issue to day folks! Payload was back then, as it is today.....
SO whomever mentioned earlier "if you have the payload for the people, cargo and hitch wt, you will pull a trailer fine"
Oh yeah, the GCWR for a 350 back then with 4.10;s was 13500. A half ton weighed about 4500 lbs, with an 8500 max trailer tow. A 2500 was around 5K lbs, tow rating 8000 lbs, a dually around 6000 lbs, and a whopping 7500 lbs tow rating. Happened just as the OP states, a half ton can tow more than a 1 ton! Been going on for many many many years with the way manfuactures rate LDT trucks.
Marty
โDec-30-2013 08:54 PM
โDec-30-2013 06:28 PM
โDec-30-2013 04:58 PM
desert captain wrote:
LMAO! As I said "Good luck" with that. You have a trailer that is twice the weight of your half ton truck, with half ton brakes, suspension, shocks etc. Yes, the newer half tons are beefier than the old ones, that is not news.
โDec-30-2013 03:20 PM
JIMNLIN wrote:The same truck with a 4.10 rear axle can tow 13,000 lbs. A diesel with a 3.73 rear axle is also rated for 13,000 lbs.
13000 lbs is the most the class hitch that GM uses can tow. Has nothing to do with a particular trucks max tow rating.
Use this http://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/ for the latest GM tech specs.
It has a weights calculator and gives you the trucks actual weight as shipped with all its options.
โDec-30-2013 02:15 PM
Bob & Betsy - USN Aviation Ret'd '78 & LEO Ret'd '03 & "Oath Keeper Forever"
โDec-30-2013 02:05 PM
โDec-30-2013 12:42 PM
The_Painting_Teacher wrote:Desert Captain wrote:dahkota wrote:
2500HD CC std box 6.0 3.73 4X4 will tow 9400 lbs. - 2013 model
1500 CC std box 5.3 3.73 4X4 will tow 11700 lbs. - 2014 model
Check the payloads for both. The 1500 will not, repeat not, tow 11,700#. You will exceed its payload long before you get anywhere near 11,700. :C
Payload and tow capacity are two separate issues. Camp on!
โDec-30-2013 12:32 PM
Desert Captain wrote:dahkota wrote:
2500HD CC std box 6.0 3.73 4X4 will tow 9400 lbs. - 2013 model
1500 CC std box 5.3 3.73 4X4 will tow 11700 lbs. - 2014 model
Check the payloads for both. The 1500 will not, repeat not, tow 11,700#. You will exceed its payload long before you get anywhere near 11,700. :C
โDec-30-2013 12:20 PM
45Ricochet wrote:
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โDec-30-2013 12:19 PM
โDec-30-2013 11:56 AM
JIMNLIN wrote:desert captain wrote:
Hello... you do know this is an RV site, right? Travel trailers, fifth wheels, that sort of thing. Now if you just want to argue you might (maybe), be able to get that 1500 to pull a flat bed trailer with 10,000# on it but good luck controlling it. The 1500 is a half ton with limited payload, probably well under 1500#. just because you "can" do something does not mean it is a good idea.
Hello .. yeah I've towed RVs since the '60 and have been a RV.net member since '03. So I understand towing issues and am aware this is a RV forum. If you read my reply above closely I acknowledged that fact about RV folks.
Along with my 5er I pull other trailers also with my trucks. A couple of trailers to make some side money with. I see other members mention they have different trailers also
Luck has nothing to do with the wifes 1500 controlling the 10k bumper pull or even the 12k GN trailer.
Just because you may not have the necessary experience or have (or had) the right 1/2 ton truck towing 11k weights doesn't mean its a bad idea.