FW trailer level when towing

[IHnutz]

I'm sure this has been discussed before but?? How far off level is acceptable for the trailer to be when towing? With the trailer hitched to the truck on a level spot it sets about 2 1/2" to 3" high in the front. The truck is a 4x4 so it sets high from the factory. The pin box is raised as high as it will go. I am using a goose-neck adapter (no flaming about this, it is what I have) with ball mounted permanently to a plate under the 8' bed. The adapter is adjusted to it's lowest position. There is about 4" to 5" between the frame of the trailer and the bed so there is no more room to lower the front of the trailer.

Your opinions - is this a serious problem or just a fact of life I have to live with?

[N-Trouble]

2-3" I wouldnt even worry about it. Its when you get in the 5" range or higher that you need to take some action.

[IHnutz]

OK I solved the problem . . . . . . bought a new 2016 Sprinter 269 FWRLS!! 🙂

It rides almost level due to heavier pin weight and taller suspension and tires. Plus it makes the truck ride better with more pin weight. Probably not the cheapest solution but it sure made Momma happy.

[rhagfo]

Blazing Zippers wrote:
Our new truck is really high. We had to go to a frame shoppe (shop charges $$, shoppe charges $$$$$), and they welded in a three inch sub frame to raise the fifth wheel. This also raised the rear auto levelers out of harms way.
Tomorrow, I'm going to raise the pin box (on the trailer frame) two inches and there will still be 8 to 10 inches clearance truck to trailer. It doesn't really look too long legged, and almost makes the rig level.
Momma needs a Camping World step now due to the increased height.

Any chance of trimming the back of the pin box to get the distance above the bed rail a bit more?

Instead of a separate step get a four step fold away set.

[Blazing_Zippers]

Our new truck is really high. We had to go to a frame shoppe (shop charges $$, shoppe charges $$$$$), and they welded in a three inch sub frame to raise the fifth wheel. This also raised the rear auto levelers out of harms way.
Tomorrow, I'm going to raise the pin box (on the trailer frame) two inches and there will still be 8 to 10 inches clearance truck to trailer. It doesn't really look too long legged, and almost makes the rig level.
Momma needs a Camping World step now due to the increased height.

[tinner12002]

Blah blah blah about weight on the rear axle. If your only 2-3 inches out and need an additional inch on the clearance point between your truck and rv, which I would also recommend, raise it the inch you need and enjoy your Rving!! Nearly all RVs have an equalizer on the springs at the connection point between the front and rear axle for just that reason....to equalize the weight between axles. Now in an extreme situation where your loaded heavy in the back of your rv such as a fully loaded toy hauler then you might have an issue but on a 5ver camper only you shouldn't have any problems. Yes Ideally it would be nice to have one set level but with truck heights of today sometimes its pretty hard to do. Been towing about 5" out of level for several years with a toy hauler loaded with 2 Harleys, frig always works and I've not had any issues to date!

[ACZL]

rhagfo wrote:
There is nothing like towing level! :B

Photo chopped! LOL. Just kidding. Looks great! My old truck, everything was level like yours, but new one, I'm a tad nose high, but okay on clearances.

[rhagfo]

There is nothing like towing level! :B

[CarnationSailor]

I have 6-inches of clearance between the bottom of the trailer and the top of the bed rails, and the front of the trailer needs to be 1.5 inches lower for the trailer to be level. I see no justification for making any changes, in my situation.

[MFL]

IMO, your bigger issue here is bed rail clearance. If you have been getting by with 4-5"s of clearance, then you are being careful.

I would not be too concerned about being 2-3"s nose high, over the entire length of your FW. Yes it will transfer a little more weight on the rear axle, that could cause an issue, if your tires are just barely adequate for the weight they are carrying.

We all know level towing is best for FWs. I think I have noticed more folks towing 2-3 inches nose high, than ones that are level.

Bottom line, if you are getting by with bed rail clearance, have capable tires, and are considering an upcoming trade, I'd just leave it alone.

Jerry

[IHnutz]

I have had to replace both rear axle tires before the fronts already. I mentioned this to the dealer but they didn't seem too concerned. The axles are positioned under the springs from the factory so that isn't an option. If I could find an equalizer with a longer arm would it be unsafe? Assuming the distance between spring "eyes" is the same. Yes, I know what happens when you assume!!! MY loving bride is making noises about a new trailer within the next year so this may be a mute point but, something I need to watch for with a new(er) one.

[rhagfo]

That is a bit off, but you really need to know exactly how far off you are. If the front is 3" higher than the back, at the axles you may only need to raise 1.5" to 2".

Best way to know exactly how much lift you need at the axles.

First find a level space, and part TV and 5er connected.

Then measure the distance from the top of the bed to the ground at the pin location, then add the desired 6" to that and call this Measurement1.

Now, without moving the 5er, disconnect the TV and move forward for clearance, and level the 5er now measure from the ground to the bottom of the 5er at the pin location, call this Measurement2.

Now time for the math, Measurement1-Measurement2 = the necessary lift needed at the axles for level tow.

[ACZL]

mkirsch wrote:
Yes, you need to raise the trailer.

Even 2-3" off level is putting excessive weight on the back axle, which can cause problems down the road with excessive tire wear turning into blowouts.

That's exactly what our snowmobile trailer mfr told us.. OP needs to raise rear of trailer. Min of 6" is best between top of box and underside of 5er.

[mkirsch]

Yes, you need to raise the trailer.

Even 2-3" off level is putting excessive weight on the back axle, which can cause problems down the road with excessive tire wear turning into blowouts.

[IdaD]

That's not enough bed rail clearance, and that's also pretty far off level. I had to axle flip my fifth wheel to get it to sit level - newer 4wd trucks are just really tall these days. Ram and Ford seem to be higher than the GMs. If your springs sit under your axle you can look into it. The new axle perches are only about $45 a pair from etrailer and it's a pretty easy job.