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Can my truck tow this?

ksnider74
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So like any other new person that's bought a travel trailer I probably have put the cart before the horse. So ultimately the question is can I tow this...
I have a 2019 GMC Sierra Elevation DC 4x4 with the tow package and the L84 engine and a 3.23 gear ratio. The limitations are

9400lb Towing capacity
7000lb gvwr
15000 GCWR
3800 GAWR RR
940 tongue weight

The trailer I bought was a 2020 Venture Sport Trek 322VRL with
1010 dry hitch weight
7580 dry weight
8820 loaded weight

So I know that the owners manual for the truck gives specs and limitations and states any trailer must have a WDH and then shows 50%? So can I tow thing or what?

Thank you all in advance and will appreciate any feedback.
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ppine
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About 95% of the time when someone asks a question like this they already know the answer. Use enough truck and be safe.

discovery4us
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I would tow it. I would not be concerned with the weight, might need air bags to help with the tongue weight. I would be concerned with the length. Towing a 30+ foot bumper tow can be an adventure.

I always get a chuckle out of those that say not to tow with a half ton. My current F150 has better tow ratings than my chevy 3/4 ton has. Trucks have advanced leaps and bounds.

Grit_dog
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twodownzero wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
To the OP, no one is suggestion that you have the ultimate tow vehicle. But rather, it's adequate.


As a number of people have demonstrated above, it may not be adequate, and it may actually be dangerous.

I think there are some simple numbers here that show this is not a viable combination.

15,000 lb GCWR - 7000 lb tow vehicle leaves, realistically, 8,000 pounds of towing capacity, not 9,400. The 9,400 pound towing capacity is based on the unrealistic expectation of you only having a 150 pound driver in the truck, which is ridiculous. You may squeeze another 500 pounds out of it, but remember that the tongue weight and the weight of the hitch have to come from that GVWR number. The curb weight of the truck is not mentioned, but given that the payload of a truck like this likely inadequate for a trailer this heavy, assuming GVWR as the weight of the tow vehicle is not unrealistic at all (note posters above talking about 20% tongue weight, which itself will probably eat all of the payload before the driver even gets in the truck).

I'm skeptical what the "tow package" includes if your truck has 3.23 gears, by the way. A hitch receiver is not a "tow package."

With 8,000 pounds of towing capacity, it is not realistic to believe that a trailer with a 7,500 pound empty weight will ever be even close to within ratings. At a bare minimum, you need 1,000 pounds for your gear, water, propane, batteries, etc.

The only way to know for sure is to weigh the empty combination and load accordingly, but I'm willing to bet that GVWR is busted right out of the gate way before you get near the 15k lb. GCWR, and let's face it, a combination of vehicles with 16k+ pounds of rating and a 15k lb. GCWR is going to be very tight on numbers regardless.

With careful loading and a good hitch, it may not be completely terrifying, but I would bet that in real world use, this combination would be significantly overloaded. A 1/2 ton truck, especially a 4 door, 4wd one with all the options, is better suited to a 25' travel trailer than one that is 30'+ in length. As you'll probably note from my past posts, I will never own a 1/2 ton truck again, but ultimately it's because the truck itself is not rated to support the payload needed for heavier trailers that becomes a problem. The rationale for those ratings is soft suspension, p-metric tires, and a semi floating rear axle--all things easily solved by buying the right truck for the load.

We're all guessing as to how close or far you'll be, but I suspect you're way further than you think from this being safe or advisable.


Well there ya go making up numbers about vehicles you don't have knowledge about to support your "case".
It doesn't sound so dramatic if you use the actual numbers and they actually work though.
Carry on with the supposition and unsubstantiated paranoia...
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Jayco-noslide
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Seems like a straight forward yes/no question but to me it's not. "can I" is never the right question. More like "should I". You could tow it and much more but consider steep grades, head wind, braking ability and mechanical wear and tear. Looks to me you would be over the factory capacities with all the weight you would add. I know some don't believe in the 80% rule(tow no more than 80% of the rating") its a good recommendation and allows room for error. Especially if yow want to be safe and keep the truck well over 100,000 miles. But it's your call.
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mkirsch
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I'm skeptical what the "tow package" includes if your truck has 3.23 gears, by the way. A hitch receiver is not a "tow package."


Get your head out of the 1970's. The days of 3-speed transmissions and needing 4.10 gears to tow an empty wheelbarrow are long gone. This truck has an 8-speed transmission with a super deep first gear, and well spaced gears between there and the double overdrive.

Where you get the gear reduction is irrelevant, as long as you have it available. 3.23 is a perfectly fine towing gear.

Putting 10-ply tires on half ton trucks since aught-four.

twodownzero
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Grit dog wrote:
To the OP, no one is suggestion that you have the ultimate tow vehicle. But rather, it's adequate.


As a number of people have demonstrated above, it may not be adequate, and it may actually be dangerous.

I think there are some simple numbers here that show this is not a viable combination.

15,000 lb GCWR - 7000 lb tow vehicle leaves, realistically, 8,000 pounds of towing capacity, not 9,400. The 9,400 pound towing capacity is based on the unrealistic expectation of you only having a 150 pound driver in the truck, which is ridiculous. You may squeeze another 500 pounds out of it, but remember that the tongue weight and the weight of the hitch have to come from that GVWR number. The curb weight of the truck is not mentioned, but given that the payload of a truck like this likely inadequate for a trailer this heavy, assuming GVWR as the weight of the tow vehicle is not unrealistic at all (note posters above talking about 20% tongue weight, which itself will probably eat all of the payload before the driver even gets in the truck).

I'm skeptical what the "tow package" includes if your truck has 3.23 gears, by the way. A hitch receiver is not a "tow package."

With 8,000 pounds of towing capacity, it is not realistic to believe that a trailer with a 7,500 pound empty weight will ever be even close to within ratings. At a bare minimum, you need 1,000 pounds for your gear, water, propane, batteries, etc.

The only way to know for sure is to weigh the empty combination and load accordingly, but I'm willing to bet that GVWR is busted right out of the gate way before you get near the 15k lb. GCWR, and let's face it, a combination of vehicles with 16k+ pounds of rating and a 15k lb. GCWR is going to be very tight on numbers regardless.

With careful loading and a good hitch, it may not be completely terrifying, but I would bet that in real world use, this combination would be significantly overloaded. A 1/2 ton truck, especially a 4 door, 4wd one with all the options, is better suited to a 25' travel trailer than one that is 30'+ in length. As you'll probably note from my past posts, I will never own a 1/2 ton truck again, but ultimately it's because the truck itself is not rated to support the payload needed for heavier trailers that becomes a problem. The rationale for those ratings is soft suspension, p-metric tires, and a semi floating rear axle--all things easily solved by buying the right truck for the load.

We're all guessing as to how close or far you'll be, but I suspect you're way further than you think from this being safe or advisable.

BenK
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Tvov wrote:
Can you tow it? Yes.... Should you tow it? That is where the arguing comes in...


X2...

There is only one person responsible for the setup and that is the drive, who may not be the OP

None of the advisers have any skin in your game

Op, do the home work and decide if you believe in the OEM's specification's or not

If not, then just an academic discussion...if yes, do your homework by gathering all of the ratings/specifications, etc for ALL components

Like the reciever has it's own spec/rating that might become the weak link in your TV's food chain

Post them all and ask questions based on them. Otherwise just conjuring and have seen newbies get run in circles on these freebie forums

Most all of these are just dials and knobs for the goal of proper attitude/orientation between the TV and trailer
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bid_time
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ksnider74 - Just for some perspective, what does the door sticker on your truck say? "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should not exceed ____________ lbs,

Tvov
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Can you tow it? Yes.... Should you tow it? That is where the arguing comes in...
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Grit_dog
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To the OP, no one is suggestion that you have the ultimate tow vehicle. But rather, it's adequate.
The person who brought up all the other dangers on the road and that a nice new pickemup towing around its rated capacity with a conscientious driver being far less of a worry is spot on.
Some people live their lives afraid to leave the safety of their own house (not quite literally) and others actually experience or gain experience that males them more confident.

OP, you pulled it home didn't ya? Was it white knuckle, bumper draggin, trailer swayin terror, or did you just drive carefully, watch your mirrors and beam with pride at your new setup in the mirrors? Betting the latter, unless you actually are apprehensive about pulling it off the lot.

Besides all the rv geezers tow at 50-60 mph anyway so you can smell the roses and brag about your unrealistic fuel mileage, don't they?
I'd tow the OPs trailer at 55 mph with my 20 year old Tahoe!
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Grit_dog
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AlmostAnOldGuy wrote:
To provide some perspective the 9,400 tow rating is for a flatbed with 10% on the tongue, not for travel trailer that has more tongue weight and wind resistance.

Even at 13% of weight on the hitch you will be more than 20% over your receiver hitch rating. If your receiver fractures going over some train tracks it is going to be ugly.

Suspect your suspension will be too soft to handle this well which will lead to porpoising and sway. You have type P tires? I would want LTs for that much weight.


And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hops....but who cares...
OMG, the onslaught of rvnut ninnies continues.
If you had half a clue what you were talking about, you might be dangerous or you might actually realize that you're wrong and just sit quietly.
What's the hitch rating for a new 1/2 ton GM ? Go find it and then show your math to support your I'll informed , afraid of your own shadow claim.
While you're at it, tell the class about all the fractured hitch receivers you've experienced or seen that support your paranoia. Only thing fractured is your thought process.
I will agree LT tires are a nice upgrade, albeit also not a mandatory necessity. Google what wdhs do for rear axle weights while you're researching cracked trailer hitches.
Oh and the 75000 miles on my current 1/2 ton work truck and it's P rated tires and pixy sticks hitch receiver haven't seemed to get your memo about fracturing or blowing up or swaying. But maybe the pintle hook on the 26' tag trailer I tow around sometimes is easier on those components....lol.
Or maybe the dozens of other 1/2 ton trucks that I and millions of trucks others have actually been using as real work trucks that tow heavy stuff are anomalies and they should fall apart and run off the road.
Kinda sorry for the rant, but not really....
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valhalla360
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ksnider74 wrote:
So like any other new person that's bought a travel trailer I probably have put the cart before the horse. So ultimately the question is can I tow this...
I have a 2019 GMC Sierra Elevation DC 4x4 with the tow package and the L84 engine and a 3.23 gear ratio. The limitations are

9400lb Towing capacity
7000lb gvwr
15000 GCWR
3800 GAWR RR
940 tongue weight

The trailer I bought was a 2020 Venture Sport Trek 322VRL with
1010 dry hitch weight
7580 dry weight
8820 loaded weight

So I know that the owners manual for the truck gives specs and limitations and states any trailer must have a WDH and then shows 50%? So can I tow thing or what?

Thank you all in advance and will appreciate any feedback.


You are well over on the tongue weight limit.

Also check if you aren't over the payload limit. With only a 7000lb GVWR, once you take the curb weight plus hitch weight, you may be out of payload before loading anything in the truck.

I'm also suspicious of the trailer payload. By the numbers there is only around 1200lb CCC in the trailer...you'd be surprised how quickly you can get up above 2000lb of cargo.
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JIMNLIN
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ksnider74 wrote:
So, it'll be a white knuckle drive then? I'm just trying to prevent any damage to the truck or trailer.

I use the wifes '16 1500 chevy crew cab short bed 5.3 engine at 355 hp/383 torque with the 6l80E tranny and 3.42 axles to pull my 10k car hauler with 9460 lb on the trailers axles and 3450 lbs on the trucks rear axle. The truck also has a 9400 lb tow rating.

I've towed for a living so I know what white knuckle means to me. This truck is maxed out in pulling performance and load carrying performance but I don't find it a white knuckle experience ....to me anywayz.

IMO you won't like towing that size trailer on a all day road trips in high head wind or areas with lots of steep hills that require 3500-4500 rpm constantly to maintain slow traffic speed.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

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AlmostAnOldGuy
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To provide some perspective the 9,400 tow rating is for a flatbed with 10% on the tongue, not for travel trailer that has more tongue weight and wind resistance.

Even at 13% of weight on the hitch you will be more than 20% over your receiver hitch rating. If your receiver fractures going over some train tracks it is going to be ugly.

Suspect your suspension will be too soft to handle this well which will lead to porpoising and sway. You have type P tires? I would want LTs for that much weight.
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LanceRKeys
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Hitch up and go. You’ll know after a few tanks of fuel if it will tow it or not. You’ve already spent the money, go enjoy it. If you find you truck isn’t quite up to the task, get a bigger truck, no big deal.