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The Biggest Marketing Scam Success in the RV world

4X4Dodger
Explorer II
Explorer II
It seems to me that as a group (RV'ers) we are uniquely targeted and susceptible to some of the most clever Marketing ploys to get us to spend money on needless things that are of questionable utility if not outright useless.

Here is a list of things that I, after considerable thought and in some cases a good amount of research, or my engineering experience tells me are really just suplerflous products designed to separate us from our hard earned money and are of no real value.

Note: this is a personal list you may agree or disagree with items on it and that is fine with me. This list is not meant to be complete or exhaustive it's just a sampling of the Folly.

RV TOILET PAPER - probably THE biggest scam of all. Normal household paper works just fine.

EXPENSIVE BLACK TANK DEODORIZERS - I have tried both ways using and not using - My black tank doesnt leak odors into the trailer in the first place and when emptying I find the smell isnt affected one way or the other...it;'s always bad. And I have never noticed any difference in the...shall we say...consistency..of what is flowing down the drain?

SPECIALLY LABELED AND MARKETED SLIDE LUBE - Just go buy a can of Dry Silicone Lubricant from Home Depot at 1/3 less.

HONDA GENERATORS - Now Hondas are a great product and a very good generator. But I can buy THREE dual fuel Champions rated at 3800 Watts for the price of ONE 2000 Watt Honda.

QUIET GENERATORS - Perversly I believe the trend to really quiet generators is misguided. It seems to me that those with what they consider to be the "quiet" generators feel free to run them anytime they want for as long as they want. Those of us with slightly noisier units I think are more careful and tend to obey the rules on generator times better than many with the quiet ones.

PLASTIC DECORATIVE PINK FLAMINGOS - Nothing more need be said

ANTI SWAY BAR SYSTEMS - This is probably the most contentious item on my list. But there are absolutely NO independent third party tests that back up ANY of the claims of these products. They are marketed based on fear and with very dubious if not outright claims of safety all unproven. If you load your trailer correctly and know how to drive it and you do not have an underlying mechanical issue with axles or suspension or tires (which should be addressed anyway) you wont have a swaying trailer. If you think I am wrong I will come and drive your truck and trailer anywhere you say without the sway bars and it will pull true and straight for me. (that is if you are willing to make the necessary changes) As a piece of gear that may add peace of mind it may be valuable. But to me it engenders a false sense of security in place of driver competence.

SPECIALIZED RV CLEANING PRODUCTS - You can do it all with what is already available at the grocery store or Autozone. No need to pay extra to have the RV on the label.

There are many more I could add here and I am sure each has their own list. Likewise there are many products that are so idiosyncratic that it defies listing.

So if you have any to add feel free. I'd like to read them. If you disagree with my conclusions...no problem, but at least back up your claims with some sound reasoning and facts please don't just rant at me.
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4X4Dodger
Explorer II
Explorer II
tpi wrote:
Little or nothing on your post is much of a scam. Most of it is low buck stuff which may or may not have significant advantage (such as toilet paper) but is not going to change anyone's finances for the worse-given they have the RV (the money pit).

Comparing a Honda inverter generator vs. a $500 Champion is apples-oranges comparison. These have different levels of reliability and function. They are only somewhat overlapping products. I would certainly trust mission critical power needs to the Honda first. But some people don't need that. Frankly I think there should be a generator class above the current Honda..something with fuel injection, auto altitude compensation, and cat converter. Something I'd pay for..not a scam for me.

If you want to see true scam look no further than high end audio. Thousands of dollars for speaker cable for instance. And a lot more!


Well I guess my idea of a "scam" is something that is marketed through fear or sex (which most marketing is) and for which there is no real need. In other words the marketing is CREATING the need such as in the Toilet paper or the sway bars.

As for the generators being apples and oranges this is just plainly not true on it's face.

The sole purpose of both types, the Honda and the Champion is to produce Electricity, taking the energy out of gasoline or propane to produce it. What comes out the other end of my Champion will power everything in your unit just like your Honda.

Now there are differences of course. But my contention is that those differences are not worth two whole Champion Generators. As for value; the Honda is overpriced in the US. Buying something that is overpriced because you PERCEIVE it is better, vs any real world testing, does not get you value. It gets you status.

WILDEBILL308
Explorer II
Explorer II
Well this thing petered quick.
Bill
2008 Newmar Mountain Aire
450 HP CUMMINS ISM
ALLISON 4000 MH TRANSMISSION
TOWING 2014 HONDA CRV With Blue Ox tow bar
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
-Mark Twain

Paul_Clancy
Explorer
Explorer
Arcamper wrote:
Greyghost wrote:
We have had at least one extended warranty that gave us a full refund. It was on a new purchase of a 2001 CRV purchased at Atamian Honda, Tewksbury Mass. We never used the warranty and we received a full refund. I believe we did the same on our 2005 CRV, but I'm not certain.


I sure they sold insurance like that!

Again they are gambling most people will forget to process for the money by the end of the term. House always wins. I wonder how it plays out if you submit a claim and it is denied (as most extendeds will)? Do you still get the refund? I bet not. I know with insurance a denied claim is still considered a claim.

Arcamper
Explorer
Explorer
Greyghost wrote:
We have had at least one extended warranty that gave us a full refund. It was on a new purchase of a 2001 CRV purchased at Atamian Honda, Tewksbury Mass. We never used the warranty and we received a full refund. I believe we did the same on our 2005 CRV, but I'm not certain.


I sure they sold insurance like that!
2016 Montana 3100RL Legacy(LT's,Joy Rider 2's,disc brakes)
2014 Ram 3500 DRW Laramie Cummins/Aisin 14,000 GVWR
2014 Ford Expedition Limited, HD tow pkg
2016 Honda Civic EX-T
1999 Stingray 240LS
1994 Chevy 1500 5.7 PU
2018 John Deere 1025R
B&W RVK3600 Hitch

WILDEBILL308
Explorer II
Explorer II
CavemanCharlie wrote:
WILDEBILL308 wrote:
I have a very important question. Some one was worried that the toilet paper doesn't dissolve in 20-30 minuets. Who the heck dumps their holding tanks every 30 minuets? I feel it is a safe bet that my toilet paper has dissolved in 4-5 days.
Bill


I rarley go for camping 4-5 days at at time.

It's not that it needs to disolve instantly. It just needs to break up enough to not plug the drain valve.

I agree the RV stuff is a waste of money. But, you just have to check to make sure what you are using is not going to plug things up.

You don't want to put Kleenex down your toilet either. Not in your RV or your house.

The one other thing that should not be disposed of in holding tank or any system are the wet wipes now being hyped as absolutely nesacarey. Many towns are now working to ban them because they clog municipal systems.
I rarely go camping less than 4-5 days.:B
Bill
2008 Newmar Mountain Aire
450 HP CUMMINS ISM
ALLISON 4000 MH TRANSMISSION
TOWING 2014 HONDA CRV With Blue Ox tow bar
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
-Mark Twain

CavemanCharlie
Explorer III
Explorer III
WILDEBILL308 wrote:
I have a very important question. Some one was worried that the toilet paper doesn't dissolve in 20-30 minuets. Who the heck dumps their holding tanks every 30 minuets? I feel it is a safe bet that my toilet paper has dissolved in 4-5 days.
Bill


I rarley go for camping 4-5 days at at time.

It's not that it needs to disolve instantly. It just needs to break up enough to not plug the drain valve.

I agree the RV stuff is a waste of money. But, you just have to check to make sure what you are using is not going to plug things up.

You don't want to put Kleenex down your toilet either. Not in your RV or your house.

wilber1
Explorer
Explorer
Maintained properly, my EU2000 runs as good as the day I bought it 13 years ago. Expensive maybe but not over priced as far as I am concerned.
"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice" WSC

2011 RAM 3500 SRW
2015 Grand Design Reflection 303RLS

WILDEBILL308
Explorer II
Explorer II
You can put me in the K&N nay sayer camp. The main problem is the K&N filter at it's best passes more than twice the max dirt allowed by Cummins.
Bill
2008 Newmar Mountain Aire
450 HP CUMMINS ISM
ALLISON 4000 MH TRANSMISSION
TOWING 2014 HONDA CRV With Blue Ox tow bar
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
-Mark Twain

tpi
Explorer
Explorer
Little or nothing on your post is much of a scam. Most of it is low buck stuff which may or may not have significant advantage (such as toilet paper) but is not going to change anyone's finances for the worse-given they have the RV (the money pit).

Comparing a Honda inverter generator vs. a $500 Champion is apples-oranges comparison. These have different levels of reliability and function. They are only somewhat overlapping products. I would certainly trust mission critical power needs to the Honda first. But some people don't need that. Frankly I think there should be a generator class above the current Honda..something with fuel injection, auto altitude compensation, and cat converter. Something I'd pay for..not a scam for me.

If you want to see true scam look no further than high end audio. Thousands of dollars for speaker cable for instance. And a lot more!

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
fj12ryder wrote:
My post was a bit of a jab at the K&N naysayers, I also use them on my motorcycles. The ones who don't like them are rather vehement in their derision.


I see. I read it quick at work, and I didn`t get it at first. Now I see it!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
My post was a bit of a jab at the K&N naysayers, I also use them on my motorcycles. The ones who don't like them are rather vehement in their derision.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
fj12ryder wrote:
From one of the other threads it looks like we'll have to add K&N filters to the list since they've been in business for over 50 years, and are selling a useless item. ๐Ÿ™‚ That's got to be one heck of a marketing success.


Not useless. They work quite well. I haven't bought a filter for my X in 70k miles!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
From one of the other threads it looks like we'll have to add K&N filters to the list since they've been in business for over 50 years, and are selling a useless item. ๐Ÿ™‚ That's got to be one heck of a marketing success.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

1968mooney
Explorer
Explorer
4X4Dodger wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
Rubber gloves for tank dumping!


Well really I dont see any marketing for that but I get the point and agree completely.

I just have a pair of old leather gloves and use them mostly for that...I avoid putting them on when fixing dinner though...


I never use gloves while dumping but I do wash my hands before I use the bathroom.